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Why do this lot think they are intitled to further education??? just turned on the news to a load of cretins wrecking central london ..... far to many are going to uni and its about time only the brightest got in and the rest learnt a usefull trade instead........
 
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perfect11s said:
Why do this lot think they are intitled to further education??? just turned on the news to a load of cretins wrecking central london ..... far to many are going to uni and its about time only for the brightest got in and the rest learnt a usefull trade instead........
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Have to agree. I live in a small university town and I have to say the intake get thicker, more arrogant and selfish every year.
 
perfect11s said:
Why do this lot think they are intitled to further education??? just turned on the news to a load of cretins wrecking central london ..... far to many are going to uni and its about time only the brightest got in and the rest learnt a usefull trade instead........
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Entitled.

Too many.

It's about time.

Useful.

Seems to me it's a minority that are rioting - the majority protested peacefully (both students and lecturers present), which they are well within their rights to do.
 
What is a "useful" degree?

If that is the only criteria we can kick out Philosophy, Astro-physics, quantum-physics, Politics, English Lit., Egyptology, etc etc

I think University is there to further our academic knowledge not to learn how to prepare invoices.

Should we only study Law, Engineering and Medicine?
 
JessPickle said:
I really don't see how you can judge everyone at university due to a few idiot students deciding to be utter prats!
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I'm not, just questioning how many go and how many do something usefull with their degrees or how usefull some of the bits of paper are in the real world judging by the number of graduates unable to find work,and if they are so good and educated why the squeeling coming from people like the CBI and others about caps on numbers of skilled migrants and not being able to find people with the right qualifcations or fit to fill positions in all sorts of jobs ????
 
perfect11s said:
I'm not, just questioning how many go and how many do something usefull with their degrees or how usefull some of the bits of paper are in the real world judging by the number of graduates unable to find work,and if they are so good and educated why the squeeling coming from people like the CBI and others about caps on numbers of skilled migrants and not being able to find people with the right qualifcations or fit to fill positions in all sorts of jobs ????
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what?
 
Ah yes, the useful degrees such as, Underwater Basket Weaving and Pipe Bending!
What happened to the "real" degrees, as mentioned above...Engineering, Law, Medicine, Economics??

Recun its medja studees an tatoooin an not mingin stuff like lernin ter reed an rite innit.

Apologies to anyone who is literate and is doing Media Studies...............
 
Useful only has one 'l'!

My God, but Voltaire was wrong.... he my have said 'I disagree strongly with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it', but what he should have said was 'I disagree strongly with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it, provided you spell it correctly'.

Dorsi68, please post the UCAS codes for the BSc course in Underwater Basket Weaving... I'd like to look at the syllabus.

How limited we would be if everyone studied and enjoyed the same things.
 
FWIW, I had planned to go to the protest but I couldn't because I would miss lessons at college, lose my EMA and also a shift at work.

Why am I bothered? Because my future is in jeapordy; there are loads of reasons, "mickey mouse" degrees, unis taking on too many students which they can't cope with (not enough contact time), uni becoming the norm etc
The fact Scotland gets free degrees riles me aswell! (not to mention prescriptions and god knows what else :mad:)

We shouldn't take this lying down, which is why I was going to attend, the lib-dems have sold us out and I expected more from Dave, but there you go, got to look after number 1.

If I could learn on the job I would- the government stopped all that years ago, no trades left, no skilled workers.

I dislike(d) uni because it wasn't "elite" enough (I wanted it to mean something) It's just too late for me now...


Oh and perfect11's- what was intended to be a "what the chuff did you even try to write?" I stopped after the second comma (which should probably have been a fullstop because I ran out of breath even if you didn't) because it just didnt make sense!
 
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I always thought it would be a good idea to abolish the bottom 5th or so of universities and plough the saved money back into:
a. subsidising quality universities
b. creating apprenticeship schemes

There are quite a lot of universities where the degrees mean basically nothing to employers, and the students are essentially racing up pointless debt. Not everyone *has* to go to university. If you can't get into a quality university why pay so much money to get a worthless degree when you could be learning on the job?

I think I can see this from both views - I went to a good university and think that the student debt was worth every penny, but if it had gone up any more I wouldn't have been able to go at all. On the other hand, I have a number of friends who've gone through some of the few apprenticeship schemes, are really qualified for their particular skill and are now doing a part time degree at the Open University.
 
Tinkerbee said:
I'd be raising the fees even higher, they clearly still have enough money to get to London...
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I didn't go to the protest but our Uni payed for the protest students to go to London.

Also, I would just like to point out that the rise in fees will not effect those already at university, those planning to start in September 2011, the lecturers or postgraduates. Probably most people at the demo are one of the above.

The violence was totally out of order and gives students a bad name (or should I say worse name?!). I am however, unsurprised that it occurred.
 
as a student.... the minority spoilt a good protest today.

i would not be paying 9k for my degree as its not worth it! Unless they offered more contact time, better quality and quicker marking etc....and turn the degrees into 2 years not 3... we get too many holidays!!!!!!

anyhow... i think uni should be based entirely on grades..... and not because you can afford it....but putting the fees up, only the elite are going to be able to go!
 
kiritiger said:
Yes, the elite and the very poor (government will continue to give them full grants).
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i know the middle of the road (myself) are normally the loosers in this !.....

like most things!!


e.g tonight.... because we as a family unit are not on benefits (housing or whatever) we had to pay for the council to come out to collect something... if we were on benefits it would be free..

wtf does our council tax go on too???

this country imo is utterly screwed up.... the benefits system needs a good sorting out (i'll happily do it :D )

and the PM needs a kick up the behind as they are all bull****ters.... and only out for themselves imo.

proud to be british???? no.
 
University used to be a way that kids learned how to network and become adults because they lived away from home. So even if they did a pointless degree (and let's be honest there are an awful lot of those since Labour randomly decided that 50% of kids should go to Uni) they did at least learn life skills.

Now well over 3/4 of people going to Uni still live at home. So what on earth is the point? Most are doing a dead end degree with no focus to it and no skills that employers value. They finish Uni, can't find a job because they don't have employable skills and have run up a massive amount of debt.

You can probably tell that I think the Higher Education system needs to be radically cut back. Apprenticeships need to return and Education in general needs to lose the "child centred" madness that it has followed for the past decade or so. All that has done IMHO is teach children that the world revolves around them, that if you don't feel like doing something you don't have to, that if you foul up never mind, have another go. Its not preparing kids for what the real world is like. I've noticed a big difference in work ethic in graduates even in the past 5 years and sadly in a negative direction.

IMHO the current education system is doing children a massive disservice. The real world is hard and tough and if you aren't good enough it leaves you behind. Kids are coming out of school soft and unprepared for how hard they are going to work. It comes as a big, unpleasant shock to them.

University has frequently been a 3 year doss in many courses. 4 hours of lectures a week is hardly taxing! We need these pointless courses to be axed, such as the hundreds of places on Forensic courses when there are only a handful of jobs in the whole country in that speciality. The Universities need to start responding to the demands of employers not the demands of students swayed by their current favourite TV programme and there needs to be some accountability from the Universities as to why the graduates they are churning out are often viewed as unemployable.
 
It is free in Scotland for the Scottish and every other EU student EXCEPT those from England, Wales & NI???


http://findarticles.com/p/news-arti...u-students-cost-scotland-pounds/ai_n56150782/

"RECORD numbers of European students are flocking to Scotland at a cost to taxpayers of more than 20million a year.

New figures show that more than 11,000 received financial help to study in Scotland last year - a near three-fold rise in a decade.

Under SNP reforms, EU students are funded by Scots taxpayers, while English, Welsh and Northern Irish students are forced to pay their own way. EU students who travel to England to study have to pay tuition fees in the same way as domestic students.

In Scotland, the cost of subsidising EU students has soared from 4.1million in 2000 to 20.2million last year"
 
xloopylozzax said:
FWIW, I had planned to go to the protest but I couldn't because I would miss lessons at college, lose my EMA and also a shift at work.

Why am I bothered? Because my future is in jeapordy; there are loads of reasons, "mickey mouse" degrees, unis taking on too many students which they can't cope with (not enough contact time), uni becoming the norm etc
The fact Scotland gets free degrees riles me aswell! (not to mention prescriptions and god knows what else :mad:)

We shouldn't take this lying down, which is why I was going to attend, the lib-dems have sold us out and I expected more from Dave, but there you go, got to look after number 1.

If I could learn on the job I would- the government stopped all that years ago, no trades left, no skilled workers.

I dislike(d) uni because it wasn't "elite" enough (I wanted it to mean something) It's just too late for me now...


Oh and perfect11's- what was intended to be a "what the chuff did you even try to write?" I stopped after the second comma (which should probably have been a fullstop because I ran out of breath even if you didn't) because it just didnt make sense!
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Agreed 100%!! I'm planning to go to University next year, but am worried to death about these additional charges they want to put on. Coming from a single parent family, am not blessed with money and will really struggle.

I don't agree with the rioting though - the protest I could live with, after all you don't get anything done in life sitting quietly and agreeing with everyone, but rioting just makes all Uni goers seem immature and prone to tantrums!

Also, FWIW, I'm doing a 'Useful' degree - Nursing. Something I'd rather NOT go to Uni for but have no choice. There's not even an option for me to do a cheaper course in the Diploma, as they are now being stopped at all (?) unis due to overpopulation (all the ones i applied for, anyway!)
 
I think those caught doing the damage especially that prat jumping up and down, should be barred from university completely. Anyone causing the trouble today should be barred too. I say nothing about peaceful protest but that was just taking the piss, totally uncalled for and they shouldn't be rewarded with places at university for it.
Agree with every word from Stolensilver.
 
Education isn't all about preparation for work; it is about improving the mind, and opening horizons.
And the knowledge/experience of many of the whingers on this thread is evident from the fact they don't seem to know the difference between Further and Higher Education.
N :D
 
kiritiger said:
I didn't go to the protest but our Uni payed for the protest students to go to London.

Re my previous post. This is the town in which I live. If these students are so poor why are they out in the pubs every night?
Last weekI overheard a student almost crying into his mobile because his mother wouldn't decide on which essay he wanted her to write for him.
Lets just say I don't live in Oxford or Cambridge.
Also I have a degree which I gained as a mature student from a good university with my savings and my OH worked and did his engineering degree one day a week driving a 200 mile round trip every Wednesday.
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So students upset that not only are fees being raised but budgets being cut as well so people are paying more for less are scum? People sitting there saying it is justified who did not pay for their degrees at all?

I have just finished uni and am in 20 grands worth of debt and I worked through uni, those who are starting over the next couple of years will be in up to 30 grand of debt. My dad finished uni with 3 grand of debt and didn't work while he was there.

Oh and if you want people who 'should't be at uni' because you think they aren't bright enough not to go then implement entrance exams to reduce the numbers. Unless of course you are of the opinion anyone who doesn't have 30 grand to spare is 'scum' and not worthy of higher education.
 
Also, FWIW, I'm doing a 'Useful' degree - Nursing. Something I'd rather NOT go to Uni for but have no choice. There's not even an option for me to do a cheaper course in the Diploma, as they are now being stopped at all (?) unis due to overpopulation (all the ones i applied for, anyway!)[/QUOTE]

This is exactly the same for me I have been a NA for years on mental health. I do the excact same job as a qualified nurse bar medication. I know all about them side effects, dosages etc. I even have some of newer qualified nurses asking me for advice. Though for me to practice as a nurse I have to do a degree for 3 years, struggle money wise for what to learn what I already know and do. As said above the diplomas are being faded away last intake is jan2011 for diploma.
I would much prefer to do a on the job qualification, and be passed off that way.
 
I was initially shocked at the title but then realised you are (hopefully) only referring to the idiots who were hell bent on causing carnage and chaos. Perhaps they should have been arrested and put on Jeremy Kyle ? No doubt they thought getting onto TV qualified them for a Masters in Media Studies !

I feel for Nick Clegg as TBH he had NO IDEA what he was getting into when he strode into semi-power all those months ago. Little did he know the complete feck up that the outgoing Governmant had left the country to deal with. What he did was akin to promising his kids the latest Tamagotchi then realising on Christmas Eve that the shops have sold out.

No one LIKES whats happening but we are all in this together. I wont be getting a pay rise again this year but I'm not off to smash up someone elses possessions to make up for it.

Maybe its because I'm old and never went to Uni...
 
Doncella said:
kiritiger said:
I didn't go to the protest but our Uni payed for the protest students to go to London.

Re my previous post. This is the town in which I live. If these students are so poor why are they out in the pubs every night?
Last weekI overheard a student almost crying into his mobile because his mother wouldn't decide on which essay he wanted her to write for him.
Lets just say I don't live in Oxford or Cambridge.
Also I have a degree which I gained as a mature student from a good university with my savings and my OH worked and did his engineering degree one day a week driving a 200 mile round trip every Wednesday.
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I'm not saying this is ok, I totally agree with you. Why the hell should the taxpayer fund three years of drinking and why should the locals have to put up with it. I am at uni to learn, that is what I am paying for, not to go out drinking every night and then missing lectures because I am hungover. I think for some people at university, they are there because they are simply trying to escape the responsibility of getting a job and living in the real world. I am not saying this is everyone, there also those who don't waste their money and/or have part-time work and are paying to go to uni because they want to further their education. Re the out in pubs every night - this is a very good point, I have no idea where they get their money from, if I can't afford it, I don't go, simples.
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