Sedation & Vet Phobias - Any Experts

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Ok, sorry but another slight problem.

Stressy warmblood now has a lovely new rider, thanks to advice on here :D :D :D

Her new rider thinks she has a problem with her mouth. After some thought I agree with her, even though the dentist came a few months ago did some work and said she was fine. She did have a wolf tooth but that should not cause any problems at the moment, vet was on the yard at the time and agreed.

Thing is she has always been funny about her head and mouth, even when she was a completely unhandled 3 year old. She is taking ages to accept the contact when ridden although she does eventually. Also the girl who came off her last year could have pulled her mouth and we think that was what caused it. We have tried various bits, no noticable change from straight, rubber, pelham, losenge etc etc.

I could get the dentist back, he did her teeth last time with one of the new oral sedatives. Or should I call the vets. Unfortunately the horse can recognise one of these from a hundred yards and wont let them in her stable. Annual jabs are done with a three metre length of tube.

So the question is can I use one of the new oral sedatives to get the vet into the stable to use a proper sedative or would this be too much. Can you mix them.

The last time the vet did a proper sedative he had her backed into the wall and jabbed her bum between the bars. It took ages to take effect as it was into muscle and when it did I was truly worried, she went down and didn't get up for ages.

Dont suggest changing vets, they really are saints, this is the horse from hell where they are concerned.
 
Is she is reacting well to oral sedation them i think you will be fine, if you ring your vets and speak to them (an actual vet not receptionist) tell them which horse its for an what you want it for and they should leave you one out for you to pick up as long as they have seen the horse in the last 6 months
 
LadyRascasse said:
Is she is reacting well to oral sedation them i think you will be fine, if you ring your vets and speak to them (an actual vet not receptionist) tell them which horse its for an what you want it for and they should leave you one out for you to pick up as long as they have seen the horse in the last 6 months
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Thank you, from previous experience our vets will give me anything I want, just as long as they dont actually have to come out to her :D :D

I dont think the oral sedative on its own would allow the vet to examine her. But it might get them into the stable to give her a proper sedativel.
 
I've got the same issue with one of mine, I do give him an oral sedative before they come out, but it seems to have minimal effect, even at way over the recommended dose (on vets advise).

As long as you tell them what they've had they can adjust the injection accordingly.

What I've found is, don't let them faff around (the vet), try and stand between horsey and vet, then horsey can't see what's going on...
 
Normal oral sedatives, ie: sedalin, don't touch the sides on my boy. However, you can now get oral Domosedan, which is the same stuff as they inject. It is brilliant. I found it just about as good as the injectable stuff. It does take a little while to work though, about 45minutes, up to that time they can look like they are out for the count but they aren't quite there yet! It's easy to administer too as it just goes under the tongue. Good luck! :)
 
starbar said:
Normal oral sedatives, ie: sedalin, don't touch the sides on my boy. However, you can now get oral Domosedan, which is the same stuff as they inject. It is brilliant. I found it just about as good as the injectable stuff. It does take a little while to work though, about 45minutes, up to that time they can look like they are out for the count but they aren't quite there yet! It's easy to administer too as it just goes under the tongue. Good luck! :)
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Thank you, yes that is the one I used to get her teeth done. I used a pretty high dose but I'm pretty sure it wasn't enough for her to allow the vets near her, she quite liked the dentist.

If its the same as the injected sedative does that mean the vet could then put some more into her if necessary.

LOL at the sedalin, it doesn't work for her either, its knocks my two cobs out though.
 
ApacheWarlord said:
I've got the same issue with one of mine, I do give him an oral sedative before they come out, but it seems to have minimal effect, even at way over the recommended dose (on vets advise).

As long as you tell them what they've had they can adjust the injection accordingly.

What I've found is, don't let them faff around (the vet), try and stand between horsey and vet, then horsey can't see what's going on...
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Thank you, unfortunately the vet doesn't get into the stable, even behind us. The only way we get annual jabs in is for the vet to hide with 3 metres of tube with a needle on. We give her a feed and bring her to the door eating it. They jab the needle in her neck and we all jump back. What a circus
 
Just another thought, I use injectable wormers on my horses and do the injections myself. Obviously only into the muscle of the neck, non of this intravenous malarkey! :rolleyes:
The vet showed me how to do it and to be honest it's really easy. Would your neddy be happier if you gave them the shot into the muscle so they didn't have to see the vet prior to being knocked out?? For the record, I did have to 'grow a pair' the first time I did it! ;)
About using the injectable domosedan after the oral, I would have THOUGHT this would be Ok, I guess it would all come down to dosage.
 
starbar said:
Just another thought, I use injectable wormers on my horses and do the injections myself. Obviously only into the muscle of the neck, non of this intravenous malarkey! :rolleyes:
The vet showed me how to do it and to be honest it's really easy. Would your neddy be happier if you gave them the shot into the muscle so they didn't have to see the vet prior to being knocked out?? For the record, I did have to 'grow a pair' the first time I did it! ;)
About using the injectable domosedan after the oral, I would have THOUGHT this would be Ok, I guess it would all come down to dosage.
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Thats not a bad idea, thanks :D

I always used to inject my horses, when we lived out of the way the vet would just leave them for me. I have done antibiotics into the muscle and tetanus (which is actually the worse as you have to thread it under the skin)
 
rockysmum said:
Thank you, unfortunately the vet doesn't get into the stable, even behind us. The only way we get annual jabs in is for the vet to hide with 3 metres of tube with a needle on. We give her a feed and bring her to the door eating it. They jab the needle in her neck and we all jump back. What a circus
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Eek! perhaps I should suggest the big stick approach to my vet, sounds wonderful!

I'm also going to try and get some domorsedan, it sounds like it might make life a lot easier! As getting the syringe in for IV sedation is a nightmare :-(
 
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