Seedy toe and general management

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I posted last week about hoof absesses only to find out on the visit from my farrier the day before yesterday that the "hole" in question is seedy toe.

I asked what I needed to do/where I could have been going wrong for this to have occurred and he suggested that I just need to get air to the area so to give it a good clean out with a toothbrush when I can. He said that Remy's hooves are pretty A.O.K. in general (I think they look pretty good imho) so not to change anything and put it down to one of those things.

I've had a look through HHO previous posts and there's a lot of debate around this area, some of which ties in with what my farrier says I should do, other parts not so much.

I was going to put a bit of an overview of my general horses life/management to see if folks think there is anywhere blindingly obvious I am going wrong. This could be long!!

Remy is a 16.1hh, 13yo WB who came to me about 3 years ago as a very poor doer with pretty poor feet (and a terrible bad back which I think has some part to play in the poor doer issue). On the advice of the feed company nutritionists and HHOers I changed his diet from 2 feeds of

Alfa A, Calm and Condition and Sugarbeet

To 2 feeds of

Alfa A oil, balieys #4, Sugarbeet, Topspec Healthy hooves and pink powder.

We also addressed his saddle issues. So he began to gain weight and has basically been on this diet for 3 years (with the exception of this summer when he was eventing a lot and needed to be put on racehorse mix and balancer to give him enough energy to sustain his workload) and is looking great on it, amazing coat and hooves and generally very well and happy. The 2nd winter he dropped a bit of weight but was much better than before and this winter I kept in the balancer and also added a mug of oil per day and he has done exceptionally well and barely dropped any weight (I am very proud of him and will try to get some pics). He is out 24/7 in summer with another horse and they share about 2.5 acres of paddock. In winter (when it's not covered in snow) they are turned out in a sheep/cow pasture of about 50-60 acres which most of the time they share with 100 or so sheep. At present everywhere is pretty soggy and muddy. In winter he is stabled overnight with adlib haylage.

Coming out of winter about this time last year he had a hoof absess and then the other day he knocked a fence out hunting and when I returned to the trailer there was a large-ish crack in his hoof. Will also try to include picture. I assumed the remnants of another absess but farrier diagnosed seedy toe as above.

So, in my absess post some had mentioned that molasses could be to blame. Could this still be the case for seedy toe? Is there anything else that could be to blame/where could I be going wrong and is the way I'm about to treat the seedy toe (or not!) the best way to go??

Pic of the crack/hooves taken after a hose down before I realised it was seedy toe...:-

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Seedy toe, white line disease and their ilk can be considered to be opportunistic infections. i.e. a top dollar spankingly healthy hoof isn't likely to get them.

Most commonly there is some (it may be very minor) stretching of the white line and the infection can work it's way in there.

Molasses can contribute to hind gut acidosis (bad bacteria use the sugar in it to create lactic acid). Hind gut acidosis (to cut a long story short), if it is either severe enough or happens for long enough can cause inflammation of the laminae of the foot, so you can get a stretched white line.

Which is probably why the query over molasses. It isn't a straight 'molasses causes seedy toe', more that molasses upsets the horse's digestion and that causes a cascade of side effects, and at the end of that is seedy toe (or worse).

The best course of action is to ensure a high fibre, low sugar (and molasses free) diet. In the short term flushing with salt water is good. I advise against poking anything in the hole as you may inadvertently push infected material deeper into the foot. Flush, don't poke :-)
 
I found I had to eventually open it up a bit at the toe so we could clean it properly, and I've seen some success creating a "treatment hole" above it so that it could be flushed down.

These bacteria seem to need air exposure to properly kill them off
 
I have mini shetlands that all get this, i move my ponys around different fields, and what ive found is they dont get it if they are in a field that is flat with hardley any stones in it, i have a hilly field that is really bad for giving them white line disease.{so they dont go in there any more}
 
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