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Looking to get a sharer for my boy.

How do you think I should work out what to charge?

He is kept in a yard where they do everything apart from ride and groom and therefore is pricey (and is close to London) so without being unreasonable I need to make sure it's worth the days I can't ride my own horse.

Lady says she only wants to hack out really, whcih suits me fine.....he's 15.3hh TB X Conn, 19 yrs but extremely "spritely" shall we say!!

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So work out cost of upkeep of my horse per day or something
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That'll scare her off!!! haha
But seriously - is that how " it's done"?
 
Yeah- i think it is for people that really need full finacial contribution- some just ask for the cosT of shoeing though but if they are not having to do anything other than ride and groom you should be able to charge more.
 
agree that is the best way; I usually worked out all costs and calculated daily rate that is very fair. What they do with the horse should not matter think how much they would spend on a lesson or a hack somewhere without the benefit of having the same horse on a regular basis!
 
I'd lay it out as definitely an exact proportion of shoeing costs - i.e. £x for shoes every y weeks and she's getting 50% of the use of the horse - then she should reasonably be expected to pay 50% of the shoes.

As he's on full livery and therefore she gets full use of her 'leisure' time (i.e. on a DIY share she may have had to clean tack, skip out or whatever and that would eat into riding time) she should pay the exact % of the full livery cost for that useage.

Beyond that she should pay nothing. The insurance you should consider as down to you as you need that to cover her sharing (i.e. public liability).

Vets fees similar - although you could 'encourage' sensible riding by pointing out that if he's off work then you both cannot ride........

As presume your yard livery prices are listed publicly and you can show shoeing bills, if you make up a figure based on those two and write it all out - she can see you are being fair and not just pulling any old number out of the air.

Also make plain that if she's in for 3 days a week and only takes 2 then that's her problem and not to expect a 'discount' for the weeks she can't ride. Although then if she wants to change to only 2 days for example you have a sensible basis on which to judge

Also put into a formal written agreement and state 1 months notice on either side. However put into agreement that you reserve the right to cancel the loan with no notice if you find any abuse of the horse has taken place (as under the new Animal Welfare Act there is seriously liability for horse care).

Also carefully list exactly what is permitted to be done and what isn't permitted......i.e. if he can jump but only 2ft then say so.

Also list any foibles - i.e. hates buses, umbrellas or whatever so that she is fully aware of them and has signed to say so.

Finally - put in a clause that she undertakes the loan entirely at her own risk, has been advised to take out her own Rider Insurance, and that horse riding is a risk sport.
 
See I don't agree that a sharer should pay half! At the end of the day there's only 7 days a week and the horse will never truly be theirs - they still have to ask permission to do things on him (and quite rightly).

I think £10/£15 a day is fair depending on what they want to do.

I was going to charge £200 a month for 3 days a week - think that's £15 a time. For a yard like ours I think it's pretty fair but they may not want to pay that if they just want to hack!

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ah but they aren't paying half - they aren't paying insurance, vets bills, for tack or rugs or supplements or all those 101 other things we all spend money on for our nags

They also won't have to cough if anything breaks or gets ripped and needs mending/replacing.

Also - we all know how expensive horsekeeping is round London and that is reflected in riding school charges - 30 quid for 45 mins group lesson near me.

Nothing to stop sharer having 2 to 3 hour hack 3 days a week for a half share - in riding school terms that would be at least 75 quid for a 3 hr hack x 3 days a week - equals say 200 quid per week - so less than that is definitely fair.
 
I pay £135 for DIY sharing three days a week. £200 a month for livery is probably fair - I couldn't really afford it, but that's neither here nor there!
 
OMG, cannot believe how much people expect for someone to come and ride their horse, sorry, but I could have my own for 200 quid a month!!
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ah but they aren't paying half - they aren't paying insurance, vets bills, for tack or rugs or supplements or all those 101 other things we all spend money on for our nags

They also won't have to cough if anything breaks or gets ripped and needs mending/replacing.

Also - we all know how expensive horsekeeping is round London and that is reflected in riding school charges - 30 quid for 45 mins group lesson near me.

Nothing to stop sharer having 2 to 3 hour hack 3 days a week for a half share - in riding school terms that would be at least 75 quid for a 3 hr hack x 3 days a week - equals say 200 quid per week - so less than that is definitely fair.

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£200 is fair if facilities are good in my opinion.

most people won't pay more than £10 a day for an average yard/horse!

£200 is fair for mr winks as he is a bit special! haa haa

Half costs at our yard would be about x

Ty costs £125 a week so I was charging just under half
 
Well this is what my mum is advising me to do - because otherwise I am subsidising her riding my horse if it's not covering costs - which is the only reason I'm getting a sharer!!! It's not really worth me givcing up the riding days otherwise!

The only thing is, I will be putting on a restriction of no jumping - but then she has approached me purely for hacking purposes - so I'm hoping it will all work out ok.

Phew - ponies!!!
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OMG, cannot believe how much people expect for someone to come and ride their horse, sorry, but I could have my own for 200 quid a month!!
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Not on part livery with great facilities you couldn't!
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Yeh I see where you're coming from - but my livery ALONE is 480 per month!!! Sharer would be benefiting from not having to do anything but ride and groom.....If I don't ask for reasonable amount I'm afraid there will be little point in doing it anyway?? Then again I haven't done this before so not sure how people work it all out
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If the whole point of sharing is that you don't have either the time or inclination to ride and the horse needs the exercise, then that is one thing. If you love riding the horse, but can't afford to keep him, then that is another thing altogether.

If they are going to do stable duties on the day that you don't go down, look after the horse when you are on holiday/ill etc, then the cost should reflect this. If they are just going to the yard, riding the horse then handing him back, then again, the price should reflect this.
 
No it's not really a time issue - its financial which is why I dont want to have someone riding him and the contribution not really making a difference - as I'll still be paying an awful lot of money to keep him. As people have said, it's not just basic livery....but all the little extras that add up - whcih of course are my responsibility as I, ultimately, am his owner.

Sharer would literally just be able to roll up and groom and ride.
 
Blimey I can't believe people would pay that much to share a horse. I can understand why some people want sharers, but I'm of the opinion that if you chose to own a horse and have all the luxuries of riding as and when you fancy, you have to pay for that. I full loaned a pony for my daughter and had no problem paying all expenses, but to be honest I hated not being able to make decisions for myself regarding the pony, so in the end decided to buy one. My opinion is if you need someone to help exercise and help with stable duties, they are also doing you a favour and allowing you to keep your horse. Therefore I wouldn't expect a sharer to pay anywhere near half the costs. Just my opinion though
 
I have to say i am shocked at these prices!!!!
I've been a sharer many year ago before i brought my first horse and i wouldn't have been sharer if they had been ask this kind of dosh
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I know i sound harsh but it's only a hack, if it was competetion horse yes the price should reflect and if sharer was going to compete in my eye that is when price should be higher.
If this was me i would suggest something a little more reasonable and also price would need to reflect the amout of stable duties etc.......
And before any one shouts at me i have a helper and they ONLY pay for their lessons plus diesel and in return they help with stable duties
 
In that case if I paid half of the costs, irrespective of whether I had bought the horse or not, I would expect to be able to have almost as much say in the days and times I rode as the owner. By half the costs I am talking about insurance, rugs, tack, shoes, feed, stabling, worming etc etc. If, however, you are only expecting them to contribute half towards feed, bedding, livery, shoes - then you should retain "ownership" in a moral as well as a legal sense.

It has to be cost effective for her i.e. there is no way I would pay an amount per week that was greater than the cost of just hacking out on a school horse a few times a week.
 
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I have to say i am shocked at these prices!!!!
I've been a sharer many year ago before i brought my first horse and i wouldn't have been sharer if they had been ask this kind of dosh
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I know i sound harsh but it's only a hack, if it was competetion horse yes the price should reflect and if sharer was going to compete in my eye that is when price should be higher.
If this was me i would suggest something a little more reasonable and also price would need to reflect the amout of stable duties etc.......
And before any one shouts at me i have a helper and they ONLY pay for their lessons plus diesel and in return they help with stable duties

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CCJ and Kickon - what are your livery costs? It's all relative
 
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