She couldn't be in foal... could she?

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Hi there,

Just a very quick query as I am slowly losing my mind with worry :( I feel sure that my mare must just be carrying a bit of weight, she always has a bit of a round tummy when she puts on the weight and I have looked at her in the past and thought that if I didn't know better I would think she was pregnant because thats how she carries her weight.

However this year I am freaking out a little, she went back in the field with ben after he was cut (and yes, both balls were removed!) after 2 1/2 weeks, asking the advice of a number of people on her and a few qualified vets, I got differing answers on how long I should wait, some said 2 weeks others 1 month, although for some the need to wait longer was to do with the hormones and not the fertility, so after 2 1/2 weeks Ebony went back in the field with ben.

Prior to this she had left him 13 months from now, so I know that she could not possibly be pregnant from that time.

abouth 5 weeks ago she just started to BLOAT! which she does, on grass in the summer, it is like she is filled with gas, you can still feel her ribs and you see no fat rolls but she looks like a barrel. I restricted her grazing and put her and ben on a circuit this has no more than 1/2 an acre of grass within this circuit, and she has a very small handful of chaff while he has his tea. she is TB x Friesian and is living off sweet FA.

After restricting her, the actual bloat went down and she just looked fairly well covered, now she is barrel like again, but without any grass, on the circuit she is constantly moving and there is sooooo little grass, I mean it, last summer she had acres of it and looked slimmer!!! She is carrying the weight really far back and IF she was in foal would be about 9 months now. The vet came up the other day to my friends mare, so I asked if it was possible and what would be the chances, she said it was possible but the chances are slim. In a nutshell:

She looks pregnant

She is fully wormed

She is in a paddock comprising of 2/3 acre of land with a max of 1/2 an acre of sparse grazing

She shares this field with my youngster, they are both above 15hh so I doubt she is getting too much grass

Please stop me freaking out and tell me she couldn't possibly be in foal!!! Has it ever happened to anyone on here that their mare caught after their colt had been cut?
 
I was under the understanding, that colts/stallions can still manage to produce upto a month after wards, could be mistaken on that.

I would get a vet in to,
A. Put your mind at rest

And

B. If she is at least you can start to prepare yourself

Good luck
 
How old was the colt when he was cut?

18 month :( I am not overly worried, I have the facilities and I will soon know if she is going to have a foal or not. I worry a a bit that she soes drop in weight a bit in the winter and should (by some slim chance) she be in foal, it will be a late september arrival, possibly the worst timing for ebony. But we will manage it, food will be in abundance for her, and if she is just for some bizzare reason fat on fresh air, it will drop off come the winter. Although it doesn't seem to be fat. She has not got a fat bum, and she does have a slight crest, but she is 50% friesian and alway has that, it certainly has not grown larger, only her tummy has! :eek:

I am sure she isn't, and it will be fine, but really it is just my luck :( everyone that sees her thinks she is in foal and people are already asking if they can have the foal or the mare if I keep the foal, I will soon have to get the pitchforks out to keep them at bay, they are like sodding vultures! :mad:

On the plus side, I think if she is ever to have a foal she is certainly in that frame of mind, she has been fantastic with ben, I was thinking of doing the water test this weekend and seeing what happens. Surely at 9 months, you should soon be able to see an unevenness to the shape of her tummy at times, I remember that I could with connie, her tummy was really lumpy and I just looked at her one day and knew for sure.
 
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I was under the understanding, that colts/stallions can still manage to produce upto a month after wards, could be mistaken on that.

I would get a vet in to,
A. Put your mind at rest

And

B. If she is at least you can start to prepare yourself

Good luck

Believe me, I am prepared for all eventualities ;)

Yes, but some vets were reccomending 2 weeks and others 1 month, when I asked why the big differences in opinion, the reason given was that it was more to give them time to get rid of any boyish attitude caused by hormones, and not the sperm itsself. Having said that I always thought it curious that my OH and I were told to be careful for 12 weeks after he lost his :D?
 
I'm no equine fertility expert, but if he has no testicles, he has no sperm. If anyone feels I'm wrong, please correct me. Even if he tried to cover her (hormones still telling him he wants to), he would be unable to perform.
 
The inside organs can still produce sperm for a little while, the testicles are where the little tiddlers sit and wait for take off:)

So while the hormones are still there, the body can still produce sperm
 
The inside organs can still produce sperm for a little while, the testicles are where the little tiddlers sit and wait for take off:)

So while the hormones are still there, the body can still produce sperm

Sperm are produced within the testicles in a horse, no? I'm a nurse and I'm thinking of human sexual anatomy! lol Sperm are produced and stored within the testicles. And even if there was a remote chance of sperm still being within his penis etc, they only have a shelf life of 3 days or so.
 
Sperm are produced within the testicles in a horse, no? I'm a nurse and I'm thinking of human sexual anatomy! lol Sperm are produced and stored within the testicles. And even if there was a remote chance of sperm still being within his penis etc, they only have a shelf life of 3 days or so.

see this is my query, logic tells us that it is impossible, but the vet 2 weeks ago said it was possible, if very unlikely. Also, why were my partner and I told to use protection for 12 weeks (just in case?!) I know his weren't removed, but the premis is the same isn't it? We all know that in essence they can still 'do the job' but the vet told me it was not unheard of (there was a slim chance) that he could have covered her. Logic screams at me that this shouldn't be possible, I am sure she is just porky.
 
ohhh, and she is a massive flirt, I have never known such a tarty mare, she normally comes into season/ starts winking, the second she sees a new boy, and nothing... zip... nada... I have not seen one sl uttish moment in her all year :(


Nope... Its NOT possible
 
Although gelding immediately ceases sperm production, your horse naturally has stored sperm, called ampulla, that is not removed with the procedure. This sperm can still be viable for a month. Technically, your gelding can still impregnate a mare for up to 4 weeks after the procedure. We always advice 6 weeks to me extra sure!

Also Vets are always right lol, we had a newly qualified vet at our practice and he was on the phone to a client telling her that her dog has been castrated and could go straight back in the bitch, i was frantically making signs at him of the slit throat variety haha... after he came off the phone and i told him, he was like really??????????? never got taught that at Vet school!!:eek:
 


In here andypandy says:
There have been documented cases of geldings covering and settling mares up to five weeks after castration. However, none, as far as I am aware after six weeks.

... I may be screwed (I said that bit :D)

Years ago I tried once to have her AI'd she didn't take, It would be just my luck for her to take now after I have got ben! I have now told her that if she is in foal, I shall keep the baby and shoot her :D


I know its possible, but I just don't believe she will be, I mean, the chances are so slim, I really doubt I'd be that lucky/unlucky.
 
I made so many errors in my post lol, like are instead of aren't! did u get what i was saying??

With gelding comes an immediate cessation in the production of sperm cells, yet newly gelded horses have impregnated mares. This is due to the presence of the ampulla, a sperm reservoir at the end of the vas deferens. Because the ampulla is not removed during gelding, a gelding can potentially settle a mare for up to one month after castration. After one month, the sperm that were stored in the ampulla at the time of castration are no longer viable.

Sorry about the errors!
 
Although gelding immediately ceases sperm production, your horse naturally has stored sperm, called ampulla, that is not removed with the procedure. This sperm can still be viable for a month. Technically, your gelding can still impregnate a mare for up to 4 weeks after the procedure. We always advice 6 weeks to me extra sure!

Also Vets are always right lol, we had a newly qualified vet at our practice and he was on the phone to a client telling her that her dog has been castrated and could go straight back in the bitch, i was frantically making signs at him of the slit throat variety haha... after he came off the phone and i told him, he was like really??????????? never got taught that at Vet school!!:eek:

It's not that I mind entirely, its just that I had decided to get ben, I had decided I didn't want to lose riding time with ebony, and my ideal quota would be 2 not 3. I hadn't planned for the possibility mentally. That being said if it is the case that she is in foal, it stays. She is the most tallented super little mare and should produce something equally classy and tallented. Ben is built nicely and has a bit more bone and will mature higher, he seems like he will make a nice bold med weight hunter/ eventer type. Their breeding should go nicely, and we shall just see what, if anything, comes out in the mix :D

I shall take some pictures of her this evening and everyone can give their opinions!
 
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