Shocking Upsetting News from Crufts

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I have been informed by fellow Irish Setter owners of some shocking and proven news from Crufts.

An Irish Setter left on his bench on Thursday was deliberately poisoned and soon died a painful death. How horrendous. Was it spite or jealousy maybe? Who knows, but what a dreadful thing for someone to do.:(

Please, all showing people, NEVER, for even a moment, leave your dog unattended at any show.

One of My Irish Setters daughters got placed, Happy me.
 
It's so terrible. I heard this morning.

I don't show my dog, but what's been going through my mind is why would anyone ever leave a dog unattended???? It's not just poisoning but the risk of theft also. I just can't comprehend it.
 
Having been to many, many dog shows in my lifetime, it is easy to do - you chat to friends, you go to another bench to have a coffee/drink, you don't always think about it :( with small breeds it is easier, you can have them in crates next to the ring or even have them on your knee, with larger breeds you can't do this :(
 
Another horrible example of the human species being more cruel than any other living creature.

How pathetic that someone can convince themselves that this course of action is a clever idea.
 
It is truly horrendous, have watched the interview tonight with Claire Balding and Caroline kisco of the kennel club and Janette someone and they both said they dont want to stop the public having hands on the dogs. Why not? isnt that what discover dogs is all about, where the general public get to discuss the various breeds with the owners and stroke or pet the dogs.

Imagine a race meeting where the general public were allowed around the stables.
 
Whoever did that is an absolute disgrace.

I hope they are caught, prosecuted, banned from breeding or keeping dogs, and have any historic show titles removed. I doubt it'll happen though.
 
Dobiegirl said:
It is truly horrendous, have watched the interview tonight with Claire Balding and Caroline kisco of the kennel club and Janette someone and they both said they dont want to stop the public having hands on the dogs. Why not? isnt that what discover dogs is all about, where the general public get to discuss the various breeds with the owners and stroke or pet the dogs.

Imagine a race meeting where the general public were allowed around the stables.
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Typical Kennel Club reaction......sod the exhibitors, popularise the activity.....
 
I just wrote public should be banned from benches on a fb page and some people got upset! I replied as much as I'd love to go into the stables at olympia to meet valegro somehow his security had to come first!!!

It must be horrible for the dogs to have their owners leave them in a strange place and total strangers approach them!!
 
The world of dog showing sounds truly horrendous having spoken on numerous occasions with a friend who shows prolifically. I thought the horse showing world was bad enough but not a patch on dogs.
 
Can't post the link on here, but on fb just shared a clip from best in show and a nutter jumped into the ring with a placard something about "hate Crufts" :-( wonder if it's connected?
 
I fail to see why anyone leaves their dog unattended when benched..I would not leave a horse unattended at a show either.
I also fail to see how winning a class/show is important enough to poison dogs for..
 
I went to only one dog show, an exhibitor left puppies in car to die in the heat, another said, "that's quite a loss, they were by "" "", the RSPCA spent some time asking for owner to come to car instead of breaking the window, I am not sure if they were dead by then.
I like dogs, but I think showing and breeding is not something I would like to be involved in.
 
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Such a horrible thing to happen, cannot imagine how his owners and those connected feel!
The lady who we brought my dogs from previously used to show at Crufts and she always said if you go alone, sometimes you have no option but to leave them unattended e.g. bathroom breaks, nipping to get food etc!
I hope they find out who did it and take every title etc off them! Appauling behaviour - I've never heard of anything like this happen before, I hope it isn't a common thing? :(
 
It seems that with so many differing and in part opposing reports, including on the national news sites, that what actually happened is really not clear. Last night the BBC News report said that the Irish Setter which died, did so whilst at home and some while after the dog show itself. Was it not two days after returning home? They also mentioned that beef had been found in the dog's stomach, and that the owner stated that she only ever fed the dog chicken, the inference being that it was beef which had killed the dog!

If the dog did in fact succumb two days after the show and from poison, then I'd think it highly unlikely that the offending poison was ingested whilst at Crufts. When dogs are poisoned, then the effects tend to be almost immediate, with a progressive and downhill sickness.

With so many conflicting reports, and with speculation being the only current certainty, it would surprise me, assuming that the dog did in fact take in poison, if the event happened whilst at Crufts. With the ability of most dogs to scavenge, it's also quite possible that there was no human intent to kill the animal and that the animal's death was simply an accident, with accusations being laid in an effort to deflect from the reality and to seek out someone to blame. Apart from the fact that a dog has died, there's little else which is clear or obvious, and I suspect that there never will be.

Alec.
 
Lucyloo25 said:
Such a horrible thing to happen, cannot imagine how his owners and those connected feel!
The lady who we brought my dogs from previously used to show at Crufts and she always said if you go alone, sometimes you have no option but to leave them unattended e.g. bathroom breaks, nipping to get food etc!
I hope they find out who did it and take every title etc off them! Appauling behaviour - I've never heard of anything like this happen before, I hope it isn't a common thing? :(
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you just ask your neighbouring exibitor to watch over your dog whilst you nip to the loo, most exibitors know each other and although there are some unfriendly people within dog showing most of them get on fine
 
Alec Swan said:
It seems that with so many differing and in part opposing reports, including on the national news sites, that what actually happened is really not clear. Last night the BBC News report said that the Irish Setter which died, did so whilst at home and some while after the dog show itself. Was it not two days after returning home? They also mentioned that beef had been found in the dog's stomach, and that the owner stated that she only ever fed the dog chicken, the inference being that it was beef which had killed the dog!

If the dog did in fact succumb two days after the show and from poison, then I'd think it highly unlikely that the offending poison was ingested whilst at Crufts. When dogs are poisoned, then the effects tend to be almost immediate, with a progressive and downhill sickness.

With so many conflicting reports, and with speculation being the only current certainty, it would surprise me, assuming that the dog did in fact take in poison, if the event happened whilst at Crufts. With the ability of most dogs to scavenge, it's also quite possible that there was no human intent to kill the animal and that the animal's death was simply an accident, with accusations being laid in an effort to deflect from the reality and to seek out someone to blame. Apart from the fact that a dog has died, there's little else which is clear or obvious, and I suspect that there never will be.

Alec.
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They know what poisons were used and they are slow acting ones. It is their vet that had said that they were likely administered Thursday morning. Toxicology should be back today which will give definite answers.
 
galaxy said:
They know what poisons were used and they are slow acting ones. It is their vet that had said that they were likely administered Thursday morning. Toxicology should be back today which will give definite answers.
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I'd be a bit surprised that the investigating Vet gave the view that they 'knew' which poisons had been used, prior to the release of a toxicology report, but that said, the postmortem report will presumably shed more light on what's happened.

I've had PMs done on ewes and lambs, some reaching the State Veterinary Service, whilst still alive, and have never yet had a conclusive statement! Despite modern research being as advanced as it often seems to be, clear statements of fact are rare, with 'probabilities' being the best on offer. As you say though, we'll wait and see!

Alec.
 
PETA are idiots! Wonder if they would have dashed up to the podium like that if the GSD had been Best in Show. :)
It is terrible that the setter has died, but like Alec I am a little surprised the poisons seem to have taken so long to act. I know of dogs who have been nobbled at shows (yes there are some morons about) but in each case a sedative has been administered with very fast effect, and the aim has obviously been just to stop the dog being shown that day rather than to kill, not that I am suggesting that makes it ok.
 
Would keeping the public out of the benches prevent such a tragedy, could just as easily been another competitor.
 
Even heard one of the co-owners interviewed on the Today programme on Radio 4 this morning! Not sure why this has hit the headlines more than other similar cases, I suppose it is the way the owners have been all over social media about it.

It is appalling, but I would never, ever leave my dog unattended at any kind of show or event...
 
The rep from the kennel club on TV seemed to blame the owners for leaving the dog alone at the benching area.
Some people seem to think other dog owners wouldn't stoop so low as to poison a dog,... really ! This is a top dog show, and racehorses don't get doped or otherwise nobbled either do they . If it is proved that some sort of poison or chemical was to blame, perhaps the person who did it meant only to drug or make the dog ill.
Terrible thing for the owners and the poor dog
 
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