Shooting on neighbouring land

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Yesterday my daughter hacked out alone and turning the corner to home, saw people lining the road and others beating along the hedge between our field and a small farmer's land - we've had hay from him in the past, he knows we have horses. My neighbour's sheep were frantic, there were dogs in our field. The little mare (20 year old, typically quirky Welsh D) is nervous and jumpy at the best of times, and she exploded into the path of a van, luckily going slowly enough to stop. This was 100 yards from our drive. The other mare (Arab/Welsh D) had been left in alone and was crashing round her stable in blind panic.

My daughter got her terrified pony home and later she and our neighbour spoke to one of the party who said he is gamekeeper for the biggest local landowner, they have permission to shoot on every side of our field as the smaller farmers have agreed too.

I have no problem with shooting, we support field sports generally, but it's incomprehensible that people who know we have horses, and sheep next door, would simply arrive with a shooting party without having the courtesy to let us know in advance. My daughter pointed out they had ample time even on Friday morning to do so, in which case she obviously would not have ridden at that time. Normally we would all have gone to work by then, and the mares would have been turned out for the day. I dread to think what we would have come home to, even barring injury they'd have trashed the field.

So - we are now faced with having to ride before 9am in case they turn up at 10, keeping the mares in on Fridays and Saturdays, and a pony who is already frightened of bangs being scared to go out at all. Next weekend this lot will be shooting on Friday and fireworks in the village on Saturday, even the top door shut and radio on loud won't placate her.

We can't be the only horse owners dealing with this - how do others cope, short of sedating? The old pony isn't easily desensitised but I could keep discharging the airgun outside her stable, though I think she would just lose the plot. We have trouble with bird scarers too, and the big landowner places them within metres of the roads and byway that we use on every ride - I guess their arrogance is mixed with ignorance of the potential consequences.

On the plus side, I hope they will get rid of some foxes for the sake of my hens - unfortunately none of the local landowners allow hunting.
 
Yes we have the same problem with shooting going on in the neighbouring field, my three are used to the noise now, although the will take off across the field every now and then :) the thing I drew the line at was when I went to the yard one morning a couple of years ago I found my horses terrified and one broken stable door!! the cause was the farmer next door thought it would be a good idea to construct a platform against a tree which over hung the roof of the stables, and then spend the early hours shooting from it :(:( we stopped that one pretty quickly!
I hope things work out for you ok
 
Whist I realise that the L (liability) word is not always popular on HHO, I do know that it has been used to great affect with an obnoxious gamekeeper and landowner.

Go to the BASC website for the shooting guidelines.

Can I suggest you ask for a shoot calender and stipulate in writing that the shoot does not have access to your land. Personally, I would want notification re lamping as well.

I've kept my horse on yard with a lousy (thats the only term HHO T&C allow me to use, my feelings are a lot stronger) gamekeeper so you have my sympathy.
 
go to the basc website .im sure there are guidelines .a few years ago i had a similar issue with our neighbours shooting over my field despite my horse being distraught they wouldnt stop.i threatened to go to the police and bill him for damage .we did eventually agree that he would notify me in ad vance so i could remove my horse in time .are the local farmers whose land is closest to yours reasonable .i would pay a visit and explain calmly the issues and risks involved .even our neighbours ,local farmers amaze me and do not seem to understand how things may affect a horse . recently my neighbours cut down a tree with chainsaws and moved it with a jcb right next to my horse who had a tendon injury and was on small turnout and broke out of it in panic .. good luck i can totally sympathise.
 
If you can get a shoot calender that sounds the best idea, they won't shoot your area more than once a week, so on that day you can keep the horses in. My lot are immune to most bangs now, unless the banger goes off right when we are next to it.
Unfortunately farmers have to try to make money out of their land, and shooting is a good earner. I would try to get on friendly terms with the keeper, he is much more likely to be helpful then.
They have to right to be in your field or have the dogs in there, but they will be more helpful if you can keep calm!
 
It's my understanding that there are regulations about shooting, I think
it's no closer than 50 mtrs from roads, footpaths or bridleways.
Might be worth looking into
I believe this is true too. If the owner of the land has agreed I don't believe there is much you can do about it. There will be a designated wildlife officer at your local Police, you can contact them for the Law.
Shooters are not allowed to shoot over land where there is no land owner permission though.

I hate shooting myself and phesant, deer and lamping was the bane of my life and a cause of distress to my horses at one home I had!
 
I believe this is true too. If the owner of the land has agreed I don't believe there is much you can do about it. There will be a designated wildlife officer at your local Police, you can contact them for the Law.
Shooters are not allowed to shoot over land where there is no land owner permission though.

I hate shooting myself and phesant, deer and lamping was the bane of my life and a cause of distress to my horses at one home I had!

Mta... ask that gamekeeper to let you know when they are shooting near you. They will generally let you know if you ask them to.
 
As above excellent advice
I usually get shooting dates a couple of weeks in advance and pop the horses inside for a few hours otherwise they would be shooting ducks over their heads and I do not trust some of the shooters!!
Cuffey is less than amused to say the least if communications break down--the others not bothered.
To have a horse galloping amongst upset sheep also far from ideal

Perhaps print this out:
http://www.basc.org.uk/en/codes-of-practice/horses-and-shoots.cfm
 
We have a local shoot on the farm where I keep my ponies. They do notify us when they are shooting. They actually beat through our fields. The first few years they shot our area in the morning and we would bring the ponies in. The last few years we have left them out and they take very little notice after the first bang or so.
 
Agree they have no right on your land unless you rent it from said Farmers, but it is a common courtsey to imform your next door neighbour. Mind you this happened to me once when my neighbours gave permission for someone to shoot over their land and forgot to tell me and have gunshot pellets clattering down on my stable roof, made us all jump, so played merry hell next day, it's never happened since.And I do have a footpath going through my field and I believe it is 50 metres or yards next to someones property footpath or right of way.
 
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