should a disabled person have 2 move house bcoz of a horse??!

[paintitblacc]

Hello All
Please let me explain a little. I have a friend who's severely disabled, and in constant pain. Her neighbours have built a stable etc in their garden , and my friend's health condition means she now cannot have use of her own garden . I can't really think of a meaner, more selfish thing to do to someone, ie, come along with your horse, devalue someone else's property and ruin their life - I'd like your opinions, please?? Are all 'horsey' people this selfish? - I'd like to know.
My friend is now faced with the likelihood of having the upheaval of having to move house, which personally I don't consider very fair, as it's the last thing she needs. The local council are completely on the side of the horse-owner, and have basically let them get away with murder, and continue to do so. They ain't bothered about someone with major health problems
I'd welcome some opinions please - I want to know what other 'horsey' people reckon. I'd be interested to see what responses I get, coz that will tell me what 'horsey' people are generally like . Are these selfish next-door neighbours 'unusual', or is this quite normal 'horsey people' behaviour?
Thanks a lot everyone, look forward to hearing from you!

 

[twiggy2]

your post does not explain how the horse means your friend has to move.

If the stable has been built within all planning regulations then as unfortunate as it is for your friend their disability is not relevant

 

[paintitblacc]

The horse manure stinks the garden out (the neighbouring garden is only 18m long), and as my friend also gets chest problems/hayfever, it's not possible for her to be out in the garden for any length of time.

Guess your answer tells me all I need to know - if a disability isn't relevant in this day and age, will advise my friend that she is best to get as far away from the horsey world as possible.

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

Wind up or troll

 

[paintitblacc]

Neither. Deadly Serious.

 

[alainax]

If the council have no issue then the building must have complied with all the regulations. Hay fever is caused by pollen and almost never by hay. As for the smell, has your friend tried to have a chat with the owner about possible bedding alternatives? They really shouldn't smell much as there shouldn't be a muck heap on site (the smelly part). If there is a muck heap in a residential garden, this may be something the council would take issue with and that your friend could challenge. Wicker and brush screening combined with various planting techniques in your friend garden should alleviate some mild smell.

Also your poll makes no sense, and your typing style is bound to get you less than helpful answers.

 

[paintitblacc]

Thanks alainax
Yes, the building complied with permitted development regs (which means that neighbours are allowed no say in anything). Unfortunately, my friend's chest problems are quite complex, so hay, in this case, is a trigger, sadly. There is a muck heap on the site, but the council won't take any action over it... my friend has tried both talking to the owners about this, and to the council, but it gets nowhere. I don't know if all councils are so 'laid back'? Might help if the smell was only mild, but as I'm sure you'd appreciate, it's getting to the time of year when it will only get worse!
Sounds like my friend will be spending all summer indoors!! - usually the garden is her only 'escape route', as she's basically housebound. She's not out for sympathy, but it's a case of trying to plan for the future...

 

[Moomin1]

Thanks alainax
Yes, the building complied with permitted development regs (which means that neighbours are allowed no say in anything). Unfortunately, my friend's chest problems are quite complex, so hay, in this case, is a trigger, sadly. There is a muck heap on the site, but the council won't take any action over it... my friend has tried both talking to the owners about this, and to the council, but it gets nowhere. I don't know if all councils are so 'laid back'? Might help if the smell was only mild, but as I'm sure you'd appreciate, it's getting to the time of year when it will only get worse!
Sounds like my friend will be spending all summer indoors!! - usually the garden is her only 'escape route', as she's basically housebound. She's not out for sympathy, but it's a case of trying to plan for the future...

I'm afraid that if her neighbour is complying with all regulations, then there is nothing more that can be done. Tbh, your friend's health issues, sadly, aren't the problem of her neighbour, and if her neighbour is not committing any offence or anti social problems in the eyes of the law, then there is no issue. It's sadly the way of life. I have a neighbour who has a dog who barks at irritating times constantly, yet they are within the law. I also have a neighbour who likes to collect hideous gnomes. That isn't a crime either sadly.

 

[Apercrumbie]

Sorry OP your post isn't quite clear. We probably need a few more details before we can judge. For example, do you know what bedding the neighbours use? What the horse is fed? For example a horse bedded on shavings eating haylage will not be contributing to your friend's hayfever. How do the neighbours dispose of the manure? If the pile is right next to the boundary I can see that there will be some smell. Unfortunately, unless the neighbours are breaking a law, there is little your friend can do. Does your friend live in the country? If so, animals are definitely part and parcel of it. Our neighbours used to have a cockerel that drove us absolutely batty, but they weren't breaking a law and we do live in a rural area.

 

[Moomin1]

Sorry OP your post isn't quite clear. We probably need a few more details before we can judge. For example, do you know what bedding the neighbours use? What the horse is fed? For example a horse bedded on shavings eating haylage will not be contributing to your friend's hayfever. How do the neighbours dispose of the manure? If the pile is right next to the boundary I can see that there will be some smell. Unfortunately, unless the neighbours are breaking a law, there is little your friend can do. Does your friend live in the country? If so, animals are definitely part and parcel of it. Our neighbours used to have a cockerel that drove us absolutely batty, but they weren't breaking a law and we do live in a rural area.

It doesn't matter what part of the country they live in, the law is the law. If their neighbour isn't breaking the law then that is the way it is. My neighbour tried to kick off about me parking my trailer outside my house for a couple of months until I could get it moved onto my driveway. It wasn't affecting her remotely, however she didn't like the look of it. So she complained. She found very quickly that she could do nothing about it, and has since apologised. I don't like the gnomes in my neighbours property, however it isn't my business. I also dislike people planting flowers in their garden in May, when my hayfever is at it's worst. But there we go, it's their right to do so, and I just have to get on with my health issues and take antihistamines..

 

[Kikke]

I am sure this is a real pain but it is also the truth and if lawful something she is going to have to live with or move. I also don't think it is "selfish" as they are living their life and I am sure your friend would do what she needs to live hers. Keeping a horse is expensive and it may well be the only way the people next door could keep their horse!
But I do think communication is key and they may well be option of changing feed, bedding location of the muck etc.

 

[bluebellfreddy]

I do feel really sorry for your friend. Most horsey people would not have a horse in what sounds like the middle of a town with no thought to people around them. Was your friend approached at all about the building of the stable?

Hope it gets sorted out for her, and if she does have to move that it goes ok. Awful that it has come to this.

 

[Exploding Chestnuts]

Seems a bit weird that PP was given, but along with that there would be conditons re disposal of manure. If officials won't do anything then she can ask for her councillor to intervene.
To be honest, your attitude seems very antagonistic, and that sort of approach is not going to help. For that reason I won't be filling your "poll"
There should be little smell if the stable is dry, well ventilated, drained, and shavings are used. Wet dirty straw can smell, and there is no dubt that smells are part of living in the country. To be honest the horse would normally be out in a field in summer.

 

[paintitblacc]

Thanks for the replies, everyone. I think it tells me all I need to know. It was not meant to be antagonistic - I truly wanted to get an idea of the general 'horsey' attitude out there. I think it's true that it's the only way my friend's neighbours can afford to keep a horse, and as my friend isn't the kind of person who would want to see someone coming to financial ruin, she's more likely to do the unselfish thing and move house herself, I would guess. Shame, though, as her house is kitted out and laid out specially for her needs, so finding a new house isn't going to be easy. Such is life.

 

[Exploding Chestnuts]

Thanks for the replies, everyone. I think it tells me all I need to know. It was not meant to be antagonistic - I truly wanted to get an idea of the general 'horsey' attitude out there. I think it's true that it's the only way my friend's neighbours can afford to keep a horse, and as my friend isn't the kind of person who would want to see someone coming to financial ruin, she's more likely to do the unselfish thing and move house herself, I would guess. Shame, though, as her house is kitted out and laid out specially for her needs, so finding a new house isn't going to be easy. Such is life.

I still don't understand why this horse is living in a stable in summer when it should be out in a field eating grass, an option which has to be cheaper than stabling on bedding and feeding hay, which will cost a lot more and require more work.
If the drains are smelly, then call Environmental Heath Officer.

 

[ester]

Seems a bit weird that PP was given, but along with that there would be conditons re disposal of manure. If officials won't do anything then she can ask for her councillor to intervene.
To be honest, your attitude seems very antagonistic, and that sort of approach is not going to help. For that reason I won't be filling your "poll"
There should be little smell if the stable is dry, well ventilated, drained, and shavings are used. Wet dirty straw can smell, and there is no dubt that smells are part of living in the country. To be honest the horse would normally be out in a field in summer.

You don't need planning permission for a stable in the garden if it is (I think) something like 6 m from the neighbour's fence. I actually don't understand why the neighbours should be curtailing/changing their life choices if they are legally not doing anything wrong (which appears to be the case) for the benefit of your neighbour and if she were to move it is possible something similar would happen elsewhere.

I'm not sure this would only be the horsey view either but that of much of the public. The only way to avoid issues with neighbours is not to have any.

 

[bluebellfreddy]

From what I can tell from what OP said. They only have a very small garden. So the neighbours have built a stable and letting horse on small bit of garden grass. It said her friend has a 18m garden, aassuming the horse has the same size garden.

 

[SpringArising]

I used to have a neighbour who played blaring music from the moment they got up to the moment they went to bed.

I would much rather have a horse next door!

I don't see what the issue is really - the fact that she's disabled is irrelevant.

 

[ester]

I guess that is my thought really the disability in this instance is irrelevant to what the neighbours do, legally, on their own property.

 

[MotherOfChickens]

Thanks for the replies, everyone. I think it tells me all I need to know. It was not meant to be antagonistic -

oh come on, your poll is very antagonistic. If P&P was necessary (in Scotland for example, its not if within curtilage of your house) and was granted then thats that. If they own their house they are within their rights to do what they want with it-could have been poultry, yappy dogs or annoying children. If they had to get planning then they have had to have a plan for disposal of muck heap and there are various rules as to where you can site one. Unless the muck heap is directly upwind of your friend or right next to the fence I fail to see how it can affect the health of your friend in any way-and would be whiffy at worst. It could be a garden full of dog crap. If she is frightened by having a horse next door then that is another matter but one that can be addressed?

 

[jrp204]

Just because the stable is built within the neighbours curtilage (like many often are) doesn't mean the horse lives in the garden the owners may have a neighbouring field.
It is unfortunate for the OP's friend but unfortunately since everything appears by the book there isn't a lot she can do, I'm sorry but the neighbours aren't being selfish, it is their property and whilst we should all try to be thoughtful of others it is unfair to expect people to drop everything because of a neighbours ill health. If the OP's friend chooses to move that is her decision but sometimes it is better the devil you know.

 

[Palindrome]

I am a bit unsure of how the horse is affecting your friend's health. Hayfever is not really caused by hay and certainly won't be set off by having a haynet in your neighbour's garden. From what you said, it seems more that your friend does not like the smell of the horse or manure. Has she tried to talk to the neighbors? Perhaps they are unaware of problem and a solution can be found? A good thick hedge on the property boundary? As others have said there are management solutions, but to be honest I can't see a horse stinking that much so the problem must be the muck heap. In which case, neighboors could perhaps be asked to have it as far away as possible or even better bag it in large garden bags.

 

[Smogul]

Thanks for the replies, everyone. I think it tells me all I need to know. It was not meant to be antagonistic - I truly wanted to get an idea of the general 'horsey' attitude out there./QUOTE]

You say your poll wasn't meant to be antagonistic but the first question asks if horses' rights come before the rights of people yet the situation has nothing to do with horses' rights.

 

[SaddleUpSin]

A garden is a luxury, not a necessity. Why would she have to move if she lost use of her garden? Surely it doesn't effect her house or lifestyle at all unless she's an absolute avid gardener.

 

[Goldenstar]

If it's built legally then yes if your friend does not like it I think she should move .

I refuse to answer your poll as it not a question of horses rights it's a question of the right of the owner of the house to do as they choose with their home within the constraints of the law .
Your poll is worded antagonistically or perhaps just very very childishly .

 

[Finlib]

It staggers me that people think they can tell other what to do in their own garden because they don't like it ! or say it affects their health
I am surprised a muck heap is that smelly all the time .If planning permission was needed and obtained then they are operating within the law and can do exactly what they want with their own garden.
The best thing is the person sells up and moves however you don't own your neighbours and could move to something much worse
Rowdy children constantly barking dogs and loud music to me would be much worse
Live and let live

 

[skint1]

The poll makes no sense so am not going to answer it.

As it happens I think your friend is being unreasonable, if she has to move hopefully she won't have neighbors who really are a pain and she'll wish all she had to worry about was a horse next door. My neighbourhood is full of sweary pensioners and horrible loud kids, I wish I lived next door to a horse. Mind, I am probably not your target audience

 

[madmav]

I'm concerned that a horse is being kept on its own in an 18m garden!