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I have a mare that needs to be on box rest due to laminitis! she is currently on acp and trying to jump out of stable even with anti weave grill on door?? i do not have the infill for it or top door, but my hubby says he will make one! I just dont know whether this will stress her out more than she already is (if this was possible) but at least i would know she was safe?? other options such as full grill?? but these do frighten me a bit as you know what they are like with daylight opening gap!! or shall i just shut top door overnight when she is in on her own so i can sleep?? as this will prob get worse once no more acp is administered! please help !!!
 
ACP wont touch my horse but sedalin knocks him out- even a very tiny amount ie- I give 2.5ml and his nose is on the floor and he cant walk straight! However it wears off within a hour or so.
Does your mare have company? if not can a shift rota type thing be arranged?
Whats she on box rest for? would it be possible (as i had to do for my old pony who also treated his door as a hurdle!) to fence off a tiny area of paddock and let her have that instead?
 
Better with sedalin - ACP doesn't stop stress in fact can make them more stressed.
 
Hi mcnally, there are only 2 other horses on the yard, one is a yearling and the other a broodmare, which come in during the day, out at night which is when she is on her own, if i get/borrow a companion then theoretically i would have to get 2 so that those 2 could go out while the other 2 are in keeping her company, otherwise the companion will then have to be turned out on its own, I have pandered to this horse for 14 years and she is sucking my will to live as she must stay in due to a serious case of laminitis!
Where can you get sedalin, vet? or shop? and can you use it long term?? thanks x
 
Luckyjac, you need to get the Sedalin from the vet - I think it's about £18 per tube. For the first couple of days, you give them a high dose, then gradually reduce it down until hopefully you need a very minimal amount or none at all.....
I don't like ACP - it can either make the animal more stressed, or if it makes the animal look sedate, the animal is still aware of it's surroundings, but is actually incapable of doing anything about it, meaning that when the ACP wears off, the situation can actually be made worse.
Try Sedalin from the vet and also speak to them about any other sedatives. You have my sympathy - my TB mare has had loads of box rest in the last year and as a result I've been left with a stressy weaving mare who was previously a saint - she now can't bear to be in her box at all, for longer than about 5 minutes...Good luck! x
 
Is she jumping out because she is stressed or just because she is a clever little thing and nobody is keeping her in prison!? I would shut the top door as a very last resort and go for the full grill.

I believe sedalin is used early on in laminitis to dilate the blood vessels so maybe your vet would recommend this anyway and the mild sedation would be a bonus.

If you can get your hands on a stable mirror then she will have someone to chat too :) take her mind off jumping out.
 
Oh thats no good then!- last year i moved yards for 8 weeks while my horse HAD to have box rest, we went to a yard where the horses were stabled either day or night so there was always something in. Could this be a temporary option?

Sedalin is only from the vets You get a 10ml tube and last time i bought some it cost me £19 so its not the cheapest really.
I think you can use it as long term as ACP- i believe its actually the same basic ingredient as acp just in a gel form which for some reason seems to work better on some horses. You would have to ask the vet that though as i have never used it long term so am not really sure.
such a horrible situation- my worst nightmare tbh, having always had horses with seperation issues or stable issues box rest is just the end of the world! x
 
I expect she is on ACP because of the laminitis - as well as being a sedative, it can increase the blood supply to the foot. Many vets prescribe for horses with acute laminitis, along with bute. Speak to your vet asap.
 
thanks everyone, rebelrebel she is fine when others come in which leads me to believe that she is not worried about being in, just everyone leaving her/being left on her own. mirror is a brilliant idea! this naughty girl is going to cost me a fortune in stable fixings alone lol.
 
McNally said:
Oh thats no good then!- last year i moved yards for 8 weeks while my horse HAD to have box rest, we went to a yard where the horses were stabled either day or night so there was always something in. Could this be a temporary option?

Sedalin is only from the vets You get a 10ml tube and last time i bought some it cost me £19 so its not the cheapest really.
I think you can use it as long term as ACP- i believe its actually the same basic ingredient as acp just in a gel form which for some reason seems to work better on some horses. You would have to ask the vet that though as i have never used it long term so am not really sure.
such a horrible situation- my worst nightmare tbh, having always had horses with seperation issues or stable issues box rest is just the end of the world! x
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It's strange isn't it that ACP tablets dont' seem to work, but the sedalin gel does. We recently had a horse on the yard that was given ACP tablets before the farrier came - it didn't make a jot of difference, but next time, when it was given sedalin, it calmed down completely and was a different horse.....
 
Yep very odd! I tried ACP for the farrier to shoe my horse after very traumatic hoof problems left him terrified and wired to the moon due to the box rest required! nothing at all- he tried to kill the farrier, quite literally!
Sedalin though i keep on standby its that good!- They do need to be calm when its first given though or dosent seem to work!
 
I have a little mare who was the same and got very upset being in on her own so she has a 12x12 paddock made up outdoors (electric fence which isn't hooked up) and I just put lots of shavings down on top of grass. Worked a treat as she has company 24/7 and is so much more relaxed. She can weave for Britain which just made the laminitis worse. Good luck with her.
 
Mimi2610 said:
I have a little mare who was the same and got very upset being in on her own so she has a 12x12 paddock made up outdoors (electric fence which isn't hooked up) and I just put lots of shavings down on top of grass. Worked a treat as she has company 24/7 and is so much more relaxed. She can weave for Britain which just made the laminitis worse. Good luck with her.
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so are there other horses right next to her? in the same area?
 
Can you borrow or buy a mirror, we had a stressy TB who didn't like being left alone, while the other horse went out, mirror worked for her,
 
As far as I know ACP and sedaline have the same active ingredient (do feel free to correct me if I am wrong!) but only sedaline is licensed for horses. The difference in effectiveness may be down to the method of administration as the gel can be placed directly on the gums (this is speculation and may be wrong but it does make some sense). Some horses are resistent to this type of sedation especially if they are excited at the time of administration.

I believe there are some long acting sedative injections so I would talk to your vet about those OP. THey seem to be very helpful in box rest cases.
 
i have just spoken to vet and he said to increase acp and that acp and sedaline are the same therefore should have same effect, however i know myself for example that when my wisdom teeth were playing up, tablets done nothing, however soluable pain relief worked, same stuff, different method!
oh she is a pain!
 
Yes we have her 12x12 within a 3 acre field where her 2 friends are and they always come over and lie down beside her patch or have a grooming session but they don't try to break in and she doesn't try to break out! She now never weaves and is a much happier little horse.
 
How the medication is absorbed should make a big difference in general, so the gel directly to the gums may have more of an effect than a tablet diluted by stomach acids.
 
for this very reason my mare is on a dirt paddock next to her friends in the field ,she too would have been distressed seperated from her friends. anychance you can fence off a very small area otherwise i would use sedalin.
 
ACP is acepromazine and the active ingredient in Sedalin! I have no idea why one is working and one is not, unless you are not giving enough? ACP in tablet form I think is no longer licensed for use in horses, so I don't know how you have obtained it for such...
 
thanks for all your help everyone, I have now borrowed a very cute little pony to keep her company while others are out of yard, so hopefully i will get a good nights sleep now, seems to have done the trick for tonight, but time will tell! :rolleyes:
 
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