Should I listen to my dad, or am I right?

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Beau is coming back from loan a month and a half early. This is because his loanee has another horse on loan with view to buy and said she is struggling (I do not know if financially or with the workload).

I am happy to have him back as it will be this weekend and Bruce goes offhsore on Friday, so I will have something to do.

Now my dad is not too happy with this as Beau was away so that I could sort my finances out, and his coming home early is effectively costing me £300 odd that I would have paid to wards credit cards but will not be on livery etc.
My dad thinks that she should at least pay half the livery until the term of the agreement is up, and as I am taking him home with less than a months notice and as she did sort of tell a wee porkie as she only tolkd me she 'might' be getting one on a trial loan but would warn me when she decided so I would know what the plan is.

I am not sure though as even though it wasnt written into the agreement I did say that is she found a horse he could come home, but that I did need around a months notice. I am also a wimp and would feel bad about asking her - even though my dad said that if the shoe was on the other foot she prob would ask me for it!

Other issue is that there are no stables avalible at the moment - although I am trying various methods of sroucing one where I can actually get to and afford the yard! This does mean that my fully clipped fattypoo will be out 24/7 for a week or two - very well rugged up though! I am worried that it will affect him though, do you think he will be o k as he is currently around 20kg over ideal weight, and wont be in more than light work, and he doesnt need a lot to keep weight on at all.

Sorry for the wrong and slightly off tangent post!! My brain is just doing overtime with excitement/worry and scared about how to tell my boss that I can no longer do the mad overtime(unpaid) that I do!
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Tricky. Was a notice period written into the original agreement? Loaning can be a minefield, I have known one loan horse to be brought back and left tied to the owner's gate! I think the loanee has behaved very badly towards you, but this makes me think maybe it would be hard to get any money out of her. What breed/size is the clipped horse?
 
hes a shire x Irish cob. Well built! Yeah the one month notiveis in the agreement as I used the one off the BHS website.

I would feel bad trying to ask her for cash, but my dad just keeps going on about it!!
Its not like my financial situation is going to clear up as he needs a new saddle now, and all his rugs are needing replaced. I have got all that stuff for him now - via ECW and other bargains and sales. And its not like I am going to starve or be out on the streets either! After horse and all bills etc I have around £200 a month fo rfood and transport and going out, which is not a lot when Bruce is offshore. He has suggested I get a car as I just passed ym test, but its either 4 legs or 4 wheels and the 4legs won!
 
I had two girls here with three horses between them. No written agreement, just a verbal one that one month's notice on either side was required. They told me on the last weekend in November that they were going to a new yard with more facilities. They were moving on 16th December. I am afraid that I made them pay December's money, and they agreed to it. I have to find someone else, advertise etc. Your loanee must realise that she is putting you on the spot financially and should agree to help you out.
 
If its in your agreement that she would give you a months notice, I would be inclided to ask for the livery for the 2 weeks that she hasn't given you notice for. The worst that can happen is that she won't cough up, you will have lost nothing by asking.
 
I would def ask her for the cash i currently loan a horse with a set agreement and if i was to give my horse back (not that i would) i would have to give her a month notice before he could come back. So i reckon you suggest to her that he either stays with her for the full month or she has to pay for him untill the months notice is up!!!
 
Ask for the money, it will get you dad off your back and if she doesn't pay then you have at least tried. 20kg doesn't sound a lot overweight for a big horse in winter. I have no idea about turning out a fully clipped horse 24/7, look forward to hearing what more experienced people have to say on the matter! I would have thought that if he has warm rugs on and plenty of hay he would be fine, but I shall see what others think.
 
To be honest your Dad is right. The loaner of your horse should pay up the money as it is her choice that the agreement has ended early.

One of the problems is what you have said to her verbally outside any agreement about her bringing the horse back if she finds another.

The other point is asking for the money & getting it are two different things. I would certainly ask her for the money as she has curtailed the agreement early & as a result you are incurring expenses that you would not have had. But if she doesn't pay up then you'll just have to leave it because it isn't worth going to the small claims courts as you will priobably lose due to the verbal agreement you mentioned. But by asking her for the mioney at least your Dad will get off your case.
 
yeah i guess it makes sense to ask. I was thinking though, she had to buy a riser pad for him wich iwas around £60, and I would feel really bad about askingher for £250 (the livery plus stuff for 5 weeks) so would just ask for a contribution to the 2 weeks of Feb. Plus I am hoping she gies me the headcollar she bough him as she lost my leather one (kinda my fault as it was a full and a bit big, but it was obvious she shouldnt have been turned out in it).

God, I'm a big softie!! Have no idea how to phrase it though!! What do i say? How do i say it?

I have 2 stable rugs, 3 mw and a full neck HW, so a combination of them should keep him cosy. The field is very sheltered on 3 sides and MASSIVE for the number of horses that are in it, plus they get haylege, and whe will be getting fed. He is very fit at the moment so when his work load really drops he should get a bit chubbier if I feed him a bit more of the right stuff. Plus even strabled and rugged to the max he grows his coat in v quickly! - he even gets clippe din summer as hes a scary hairy beast!
 
i would be inclined to ask for the money for the weeks left in your agreement

whilst you may not be finding another loaner if you were having to, you would be in a very tight spot to find one in such a short time
im sure your cuurent loaner will think it a reasonable thing to ask

ask her, as others have said, the worst she can say is no
 
Did she give you a month's notice? If she didn't then yes you should ask for the livery money for the notice period.

If she did give you a month's notice, irrespective of the termination date of loan agreements, then you can't ask for money as she has fulfilled the terms of the agreement.
 
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