Should I pay? cost of vet mishap...

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I have not yet paid for my vet bills (I did ask for a package but they still haven't come back to me)


I have just had my second attempt at A.I
The first time by vet "X" was not done properly (I found out later). for example was scanned on the a Friday said do it Monday. I ordered the A.I to be delivered. the vet turned up and he did not scan and used both tubes in the container!
Well hence she did not get in foal...

When the vet gave me to his visiting vet for his practice - who is more experienced and has an interest in breeding to try again, she could not figure out her cycle - she was not where she should of been based on when she was A.I'd she had fluid and tight cervex... (1st vet had mentioned the fluid before the A.I)
She said he should have scanned before and flushed and not used both tubes as only one contains the sperm!

I am getting worried as my bills are near to £900

What do you think? should I only pay for the second attempt?
 
Package deal means that you get as many attempts as you need within a set figure. This excludes drugs.

Some mare's are very tricky to get in foal - and perhaps your mare is not cycling properly.

How big was the folicle that she was inseminated on?

Presumably you did your homework on how experienced your practice was at AI'ing. But it may be easier for your mare to be sent to stud to be serviced or AI'd and stay there until confirmed in foal.

I know a number of mares that are proving very, very tricky to get in to foal this year - for no reason.

It's a science up to a point - but with nature, you can never count your chickens etc.

I would be paying the bill.
 
I'm sorry you are having these probs.

Legally you will be obligated to pay the bill unless you are able to prove that the vet acted with negligence which can be hard to prove as he will likely have a set reason for everything done, whether it was right or wrong.

As AmyMay has said, you might be better off sending her to stud for insemmination...

who is the stallion you're using.
 
Well the temp vet is going to have a word with "X" vet as we had no chance if he didn't do properly...

I'm using Romero XXV... Why?!
 
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The first time by vet "X" was not done properly (I found out later). for example was scanned on the a Friday said do it Monday. I ordered the A.I to be delivered. the vet turned up and he did not scan and used both tubes in the container! [ QUOTE ]


Eeeeek!! I would be appalled and screaming blue murder. To give you an idea of what is 'normal'.

Last Monday, we scanned Babe - she had a CL and a 30 mm follicle so was PG'd. On Wednesday, we scanned again, she had an oedema patterm (coming into season) and the dominant follicle was just on 40 mm. We scanned again today, and gave a half-dose of Chorulon (to encourage ovulation - though she won't need much encouragement.) The semen is being collected first thing tomorrow and she will be scanned and then inseminated. My only concern is she MIGHT ovulate before tomorrow.

The 2nd mare, Maggie, scanned n.i.f. (14 days) on Tuesday but already had the start of an oedema pattern and a 35 mm follicle. This was rather early - but what the heck - mares don't read the book. Semen was ordered for Friday, she was scanned again
today and given a half-dose of Chorulon (as the follicle was nearly 50mm and softening nicely).

"When the vet gave me to his visiting vet for his practice - who is more experienced and has an interest in breeding to try again, she could not figure out her cycle - she was not where she should of been based on when she was A.I'd she had fluid and tight cervex... (1st vet had mentioned the fluid before the A.I)
She said he should have scanned before and flushed and not used both tubes as only one contains the sperm!"

If this one is the more experienced, heaven help you!! When the mare was AI'd has NO influence on where she SHOULD be in her cycle if she was AI'd on a 'hit or miss' basis. The following cycle is governed by when she actually ovulated - but even then there can be variation (as with my second mare above.)

What on earth does your vet think is in the second syringe?? Why bother to send a second one if there was nothing in it? Yes - there IS semen in both - and you use them both.

If there is fluid it's not surprising mare didn't take first time around. For the sake of your bank balance, get her to a COMPETENT AI centre now - so they can short-cycle her, wash her out, AI her at the optimal time and treat post-ovulation for fluid retention.
 
I have just had my second attempt at A.I
The first time by vet "X" was not done properly (I found out later). for example was scanned on the a Friday said do it Monday. I ordered the A.I to be delivered. the vet turned up and he did not scan and used both tubes in the container!
Well hence she did not get in foal...

IF what you have said is true, that is disgusting, what do they propose in the future? Good god, they'll be going by the angle of the moon at this rate.

Bill? Go to hell, why shoudl you pay for this crap service, IF what you said is true get your mare the hell away from this imbicile and DO NOT pay the bill.
 
Agreed 100% with Ken and JG. This is utterly terrible. I cannot believe that a vet is offering a reproduction-type service, when they clearly have no clue as to what is actually going on.

Change vet. Don't pay. Go to RCVS/BEVA if it becomes a problem.
 
I want to refuse to pay for the first attempt. but unfortunatly am polite in nature! I know now that the first vet from the practice did a half hearted attempt but he is the boss of the practice...
This temp vet is understanding that it wasn't properly done and is helping me cut the cost this time round and has said she will speak to the first vet but he is one of those vets that is charming when he wants to and very hard and rude when opposed... So will be difficult. and do I have a right to refuse payment...?

My mare was A.I'd Tuesday evening 30 mm follicles and plenty of oedema. Wednesday morning flushed and given antibiotics plus injection to help get rid of fluid, last night scanned, had not ovulated yet 38mm wobberly follicle and still loads of oedema, some small amount of fluid present -injected again for the fluid thing, this morning and will do again this afternoon. the vet is hoping to scan this afternoon or lastest tomorrow morning to check she has ovulated.

Vet showed me on Tuesday that only one tube contained the sperm. the other was clear fluid I forget the name of it but said it was to help balance out and something else...
Maybe I will ask the stud...

This temp vet has only two weeks left at this practice so if she does not get in foal I will have to give up due to the costs if they do say I have to pay - I recalculated it and it is currently £1200... and I haven't had a bill from the stud yet...
 
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My mare was A.I'd Tuesday evening 30 mm follicles and plenty of oedema. Wednesday morning flushed and given antibiotics plus injection to help get rid of fluid, last night scanned, had not ovulated yet 38mm wobberly follicle and still loads of oedema, some small amount of fluid present -injected again for the fluid thing, this morning and will do again this afternoon. the vet is hoping to scan this afternoon or lastest tomorrow morning to check she has ovulated.

Vet showed me on Tuesday that only one tube contained the sperm. the other was clear fluid I forget the name of it but said it was to help balance out and something else...


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OUCH! I'm terribly sorry to be the bearter of bad tidings but if she gets in foal it will be a miracle of Nature over incompetence!

Unless your mare is a minature, a 30 mm follicle is FAR too small to AI with! Did vet give Chorulon to make her ovulate?? Although a 35 mm follicle is the minimum you want for that!

And are you trying to sell me the semen was in one tube and the extender in the other?? AAAGGGGHHH!!!!! Do NOT pay for the semen if that was the case - they are meant to travel together - the extender is mixed with the semen immediately after collection BEFORE it is put in the syringes!!

Did the vet check the semen before putting it in the mare - because it's going to have to be incredibly good stuff to have survived the journey - let alone the hanging around inside the mare!!

I'm afraid your 2nd vet sounds JUST as useless as the first! IMHO, they've both been downright negligent!
 
Sorry but I'm with JG, Ken & AP. I'm having enough problems getting my mare in foal this year using competent vets and having detailed knowledge of her cycle, the size follicles get to before she ovulates etc.

It does seem to be a 'difficult' year for everyone so you need to give your mare the best possible chance - and that means AI-ing at the right time at the very least.

ETA: Just noticed your vet bill - £1200 without stud fees???
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Not only are you getting a poor service but you sound to be paying way over the odds for two scans and two inseminations!
 
Oh dear - I would echo Ken, Janet and Andypandy - you need to just get your mare to a decent AI centre and let them deal with her now if you are unable to source a good repro vet. I always say it costs exactly the same whether they get in foal or not, so you may as well give yourselves the best bloody chance of getting them in foal!
 
Just spoke to the stud and the sperm is only in one tube the other is just a ballister (water) to balance the sperm in transit.
She said Romero's sperm is tested on a regular basis and is still viable at 3 days. His sperm contains 42 mil per something or other. vet confirm she will be scanned this afternoon so fingers crossed she has ovulated!
 
So... in summary (correct me if I'm wrong):

Vet A scanned your mare, said she would be ready 3 days after the scan (conveniently a Monday, as so many "repro" vets seem to like avoiding working on weekends), then inseminated blindly (without scanning)... but put in one dose of semen, and one dose of tap water.

Vet B scans the mare and decides to AI her with 30mm follicle(s) (when she's really only just "in season) on Tuesday... it's now Friday and they have no idea if she's actually ovulated yet!?

These people seem like total jokers. Get the mare out and to a proper centre. Even if she does somehow manage to get in foal this time, it'll be down to her fertility, and the quality of the semen as opposed to the proficiency of the vets!
 
The second attempt sounds much more viable and looks as if the vet did his homework. Early insemination and preperation of the uterine body lavage and antibiotics post insemination allowing the uterine body to clear its self of all fluid prior to the descent of the follicle. If the semen is good then you have a very good chance of obtaining a pregancy it all depends on how viable the semen is for that length of time. We have had a number of mares that our vet followed exactly the same protocol of early post ovulation insemination in mares that pooled fluid and have obtained good results. On one occasion the lavage was carried out four hours post insemination then six hours later, mare scanned the following day uterine body clear, scanned again 24 hours later for ovulation. Ovulation occured 60 hours after insemination and was scanned in foal at 15 days.
 
My mare was A.I'd Tuesday evening 30 mm follicles Oh dear God what is going on?

I'm so glad that my rant last week might actually help amateur breeders start to speak out about the crap treatment some of they are getting. This kind of crap was exactly what I was talking about.

Inseminating a 30MM follicle, that vet should be struck off immediately; that's disgusting. And shame on vet B who is trying to cover his arse. That doesn't help, that's part of the problem.
 
My mare has not had a 40+ follicle before and as there were plenty of oedema the vet said it is better to early than too late as we have time to flush and treat after a.i as she is prone to fluid retention.

The vet B is not, in my mind covering for vet A and has clearly told me what should of been done and she will be speaking to him (not that I think it will do any good as the vet will just disregard).

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Vet B scans the mare and decides to AI her with 30mm follicle(s) (when she's really only just "in season) on Tuesday... it's now Friday and they have no idea if she's actually ovulated yet!?


She was injected on the Sat to bring into season. so monday when she was scanned and found 30 follicles and lots of oedema we arranged for A.I the following evening.
Vet said better to do before ovulation as we have time to treat fluid as she is prone to retain. So A.I'd Tuesday eve and flushed early Wed and treated with antibiotics and injected to encourage ovulation. I will find out this afternoon if she ovulated.
 
The vet B is not, in my mind covering for vet A and has clearly told me what should of been done and she will be speaking to him (not that I think it will do any good as the vet will just disregard). If you do the right thing and not pay this bill (you'll have to pay for one insemination, minus any incidental costs) he'll be sure to listen.
 
Sounds very much as if he has followed Jonathon Pycocks protocol of early insemination post ovulation.

As stressed by many equine reproduction specialists it is not the size of the follicle that should be taken into consideration in isolation but all other fatcors. In this case the mare has been assesed and an early insemination pre ovulation treatment carried out.

The most important factors in this case for you to have a high chance of obtaining a pregnancy is the viability of the semen for the durablity of the period post insemination and that ovulation has now taken place.

If the semen is good and the mare has now ovulated assuming corulon has now been given than she stands as good a chance as any.
 
Not in all case scenarios TW, inflamatory response post insemination is frequently observed in such cases.

Pre-insemination lavage can cause further irritation and inflammatory repsonse so it is often advised to do less and in one go post insemination as opposed to before and after.

DIU with smaller specially prepared condensed doses of semen can also be used to assist in the process with these case scenarios.
 
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If you're starting with fluid you need to clear that prior to insemination. You then need to adress any fluid issues that may occur after insemination.

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We had her into season time before to treat fluid and infection. before insaminated was scanned clear of fluid...
 
No of course not TW totally agree
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as in many simple cases of pooling fluid totally unecesesary and often regarded to have a more negative effect than positive as lavage as we know can cause irritation and stimulate an even greater negative response but often when faced with "lets get it right this time" vets will follow the post insemination protocol to maximise the chance of success.

Of course if a massive inflamatory response was however observed post insemination following the previous insemination then lavage has to be carried out. I guess that is where the difference lies. It really depends on what response there was which the OP has indicated was not good the previous time.

Regarding the OP being able to contest the first insemination costs Vet A is likely to respond in his defence that he was unable to determine that the mare would put up an inflamatory response post insemination, and like so many vets would only scan 24 hours later to verify ovulation by which time its often too late as a pusy bacterial reaction can be produced within hours.

Perhaps a question for another thread. Just how much work shoud be considered as standard when a vet takes on a contract to breed a mare especially when we know how quickly a mare can react. Should a four/six hour post insemination become standard practice? especially in mares with a tendancy to pool fluid.

It incurrs additional costs but could also save the mare owner money in the long run.
 
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My mare was A.I'd Tuesday evening 30 mm follicles Oh dear God what is going on?

I'm so glad that my rant last week might actually help amateur breeders start to speak out about the crap treatment some of they are getting. This kind of crap was exactly what I was talking about.



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I confess I thought you were being sweepingly scathing about UK vets - but if this case is NOT a one (or two) off, I stand corrected.

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Just spoke to the stud and the sperm is only in one tube the other is just a ballister (water) to balance the sperm in transit.
She said Romero's sperm is tested on a regular basis and is still viable at 3 days. His sperm contains 42 mil per something or other. vet confirm she will be scanned this afternoon so fingers crossed she has ovulated!

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Mmm - never heard of THAT before - but it may be a new and interesting type of container. (Although why you'd need to 'balance' a container that will be chucked around a sorting office, thrown into the back of a van, etc. etc.) But as long as it doesn't go in the mare, that's not a problem.

Semen MAY be viable after 3 days - but it sure as hell won't be AS viable. My two were AI'd this morning - thankfully they hadn't ovulated too soon. One had a 55 mm follicle (Irish Draught) and the Warmblood had a 50mm. Both follicles were softening up nicely and expect mares to ovulate in less than 12 hours from insemination.

The ID's semen had been collected yesterday and came via Parcelforce - unpacked at 75% progressive motility. The WB was collected at 9 am this morning and brought straight up - and was 80%.

Both mares will be given Reprocine at midnight tonight (12 hours after AI) and we'll tease them tomorrow with the stallion as an extra precaution against fluid, as the WB has a history of pooling fluid allegedly! I've never needed to do more than that after AI or natural cover - including old maidens (16 +).

I agree with Ken that AI'ing on a 30 mm follicle is crazy! Yes - better too soon than too late - in theory anyway. But rather than scanning two or three or more times AFTER AI'ing (when it's too late!) it would have been better to get in an extra scan BEFORE AIing and getting the semen in nearer to ovulation.

There's an argument for going a bit early and leaving time to clear fluid before ovulation - but 3 days early is ridiculous. My vet did his AI training with John Pycock and he WON'T Chorulon on less than a 35mm follicle, let alone AI!

I hope for the OP's sake that the stallion's semen DOES last 3 days - but it's asking a lot from chilled IMHO!

The PROBLEM with this sort of incompetence is not JUST the financial loss to mare owners - it HAS to result in mare owners being rather more cautious about using AI. If my visiting mare (the WB) takes this time the total cost of vet work - with shared visits - will be about £250 including the 14 day scan. That is not ridiculously expensive compared to natural cover - I had one go home today after 28 day heartbeat scan and total vet costs - including pinching a twin and an extra scan at 21 days to make sure we still had one left - came to £179 odd.

Vet costs of over £1000 for no pregnancy - who can afford THAT?
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There's an argument for going a bit early and leaving time to clear fluid before ovulation - but 3 days early is ridiculous. My vet did his AI training with John Pycock and he WON'T Chorulon on less than a 35mm follicle, let alone AI!

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As quoted from J Pycock "A single breeding must be arranged 1 to 2 (or even 3) days before the anticipated time of ovulation"

http://www.pycock.co.uk/Italy3.htm

Agreed there are some elements of the OP's post that shows some lack of understanding which is perfectly understandable but as we are not liasing directly with the vet about all the fine details its important to try and identify clearly the protocol that took place and the reasons why.

In this scenario the uterine eodema was good and yes whilst the follicle was only 30mm he obviously felt it was a good time to start by the Wednesday she was on a 38 follicle and the vet gave her corulon to encourage ovulation.

Follicle sizes as we know can and do vary tremendously from one mare to another and remember in one instance my vet scanning a mare on a 33 but felt that all other elements indicated that she would ovulate within 24/48 hours, the last scan showed her at 37mms pre ovulation. Bearing in mind that many mares can sit on avaltory follicles of 50 plus for days.......... observation of the uterine eodema and the changes of the follicle are much more indicative of impending ovulation than simply measuring a follicle.

I didn't notice the OP saying the vet gave her corulon on a 30 follicle he gave her corulon on a 38 on the Wednesday evening as the mare already had good uterine eodema and assume he detected other factors indicating that it was progressing well 30 to 38 in 24hrs.

The insemination was carried out on the Wednesday (PGed on Friday so five days after unduction) and 48 hours estimated post ovulation Thursday/Friday. I don't think he was all that far off with the protocol he followed.

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Just spoke to the stud and the sperm is only in one tube the other is just a ballister (water) to balance the sperm in transit.

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Mmm - never heard of THAT before - but it may be a new and interesting type of container. (Although why you'd need to 'balance' a container that will be chucked around a sorting office, thrown into the back of a van, etc. etc.) But as long as it doesn't go in the mare, that's not a problem.

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Some of the disposable containers (Equine Express II, Clipper etc.) recommend that you put in a "balancing" tube to maintain reasonable cooling rates... so I guess that would be the reason. I think Hamilton Thorne still recommend that you put a tube of tap water into the Equitainer too, if only shipping one tube of semen... although what I tend to do now when sending out these containers is to put some food colouring in the water, and write "BALANCING TUBE - DO NOT INSEMINATE" in capital letters, because I've had a couple of vets phone me up and ask what they should do with the "extra tube".
 
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I didn't notice the OP saying the vet gave her corulon on a 30 follicle he gave her corulon on a 38 on the Wednesday evening as the mare already had good uterine eodema and assume he detected other factors indicating that it was progressing well 30 to 38 in 24hrs.

The insemination was carried out on the Wednesday (PGed on Friday five days after unduction) and 48 hours estimated post ovulation Thursday/Friday. I don't think he was all that far off with the protocol he followed.



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Not my reading. The OP said: "She was injected on the Sat to bring into season. so monday when she was scanned and found 30 follicles and lots of oedema we arranged for A.I the following evening.
Vet said better to do before ovulation as we have time to treat fluid as she is prone to retain. So A.I'd Tuesday eve and flushed early Wed and treated with antibiotics and injected to encourage ovulation. I will find out this afternoon if she ovulated. " and "So A.I'd Tuesday eve and flushed early Wed and treated with antibiotics and injected to encourage ovulation."

The data sheet for Chorulon advises that it is used 24 hours BEFORE AI or mating !

This is because while about 65% (I think) of mares will ovulate 24 hours after, the rest will take up to 48 hours. With a small follicle, chances are the Chorulkon WILL take 48 hours to bring the mare to ovulation meaning she'll ovulate 60 hours after AI. That's a challenge to the best chilled semen!
 
well you learn something every day!
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to be honest I would phone to ask too
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can't blame them for calling, unless its something they should have learned about at vet school? I mean I would be wondering if it was some new super drug or something
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JJ don't really get your last post
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38 folicle + corulon = hopeful ovulation. If the vet deemed it suitable for the mare to be injected due to the level of uterine eodema and other factors with an anticipated ovulation within 24 to 48 hours then everything adds up.

Regarding the use of corulon whats written as the manufacturers recomendation is not always what's carried out, as we know many specialists give different reduced doses at varying intervals. Some repeat injections, some inject at the time of insemination. Hormone treatment is being tried and tested all the time by ERS.

PG is the same the manufacturers recomendation is for a specific given quantity and recomended to be repeated if necessary but again its used in many different scenarios in different doses to treat HF's and AV's as well as being used to induce oestrus
 
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JJ don't really get your last post
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38 folicle + corulon = hopeful ovulation. If the vet deemed it suitable for the mare to be injected due to the level of uterine eodema and other factors with an anticipated ovulation within 24 to 48 hours then everything adds up.

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Not when that is at least 12 hours AFTER AI imho! We don't know how much oedema there was ('plenty' is not a helpful measurement) - but as she was only PG'd on the Saturday and allegedly had 'plenty of oedema' on the Monday, I would guess she was only JUST coming into season (4 days after PG is the average - yes, they can be showing in season 2 days later but I've never had a mare prepared to stand in less than 3 days after PG!)

And I know from experience that even very experienced repro vets can misjudge just how 'in season' a mare is. Last year, I had one of the very top repro vets in the UK scan two mares and declare both fully in season and ready to be covered. The mares disagreed profoundly - as did the stallion and they finally stood 2 and 3 days later and were covered for the last time 4 and 6 days later!!

"Regarding the use of corulon whats written as the manufacturers recomendation is not always what's carried out, as we know many specialists give different reduced doses at varying intervals. Some repeat injections, some inject at the time of insemination. Hormone treatment is being tried and tested all the time by ERS."

Without wishing to be pedantic, it's Chorulon - and the accepted protocol is to give it 24 hours BEFORE you AI. Of course you may give it in smaller doses (we did with my two mares as they had such BIG follicles we didn't want to risk them ovulating before the semen arrived!) Yes, the can give it WHEN you AI if things move along a bit quickly - and of course various doses/timings may be used in an experimental situation by very experienced vets.

BUT the OP's mare is NOT part of an experiment in breeding techniques. OP is paying (very heavily) for a professional service that gives her mare the best chance of getting in foal. I don't think she's received it - I hope I'm wrong!

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PG is the same the manufacturers recomendation is for a specific given quantity and recomended to be repeated if necessary but again its used in many different scenarios in different doses to treat HF's and AV's as well as being used to induce oestrus

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Yes - and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't!! My vet has injected one of mine today to try and shift a haemorrhagic follicle - and I hope it will work - but it's FAR from foolproof! Some haemorrhagic follicles will just sit there WHATEVER you do - or don't do! Of course if you PG and it shifts, you think the PG worked. But it MAY have shifted without the PG.
 
Yes I understand JJ and agree that PG is estimated to bring the mares into season in an estimated time and agree never less than three days but time scales can as we know vary. We had three mares bred on day day six this year scanned the following day and all had ovulated24 hrs post insemination and all three pregnant. But also agree its not always so rapid and on occasion mares frequently aren.t inseminated until 7,8,9 days after injection.

Two of the mare mentioned laterally had HF's from their foal heat and were given two smaller doses of PG 24 hours apart. Primarily vets prefer inject PG on the Thursday or Friday to miss the weekend and we see the general pattern is to receive requests to ship semen the following week from Wednesday onwards, but then again we do sometimes get a call from an anxious mare owner because the mare was scanned on the Monday/Tuesday morning saying we need it for tomorow she has come rapidly into season with a plus 40 follicle and vet feels she is ready to go. Agree its not the norm but it frequently happens.

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the standard protocol our vet used especically when dealing with shipped semen from overseas was to inject the mare with Chroulon at the time of insemination, nothing worse than having a mare prepared to ovulate with no semen turning up. If the mare is inseminated 24 hours before hand then you can be playing devils advocate if it doesn't turn up. On occasion our vet has used chorulon on the day of insemination and the day after when no ovulation was detected, sometimes the day before and 48 hours post insemination if the mare hasn't moved along as precipitated. Hormone treatments and its useage can fluctuate between each case. There is of course the advised recomended protcol as indicated on the manfacturers sheet but many equine reproduction specialists and vets communicate between one another and exchange their findings of what works best under certain given circumstances and case studies allow them to apply different protocols in different given circumstances, those are generally the vets that get the results and whilst there have been rantings on here about how rubbish they all are there are some really good ones too and if we werent getting the results I would start to feel differently but generally the feedback from vets working with clients is excellent.
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Have as others have felt from the begining that it was perhaps a little precipitated, one day later might have given the mare a better chance but reading between the lines he seems to have made his decisions based on what he was seeing and followed J Pycocks protocol of early post insemination and cleansing which was probably the right thing to do.

Interestingly we had a visiting mare three years ago that went through exactly the same scanario. Massive inflamatory response post insemination detected 24 hours later. The next time she was bred the vet applied early insemination protocol, DUI with small amount of condensed semen, lavage 4 + 6rs PI antibiotics + oxitocin, scanned early am the following day found small amount of pooling, further oxitocin and choruloned was scanned the following day and choruloned again. Scanned again 72 hours post insemination and mare had ovulated. The only difference in the two cases (I think) is that the semen was collected and specially prepared the same day as inseminated and DUI was performed.

At that time a freind was going through the same process with her own mare so we constantly exchanged the vets protocols and discussed the processes with shared specialiset contacts. She mentioned that her bill was 2200
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