Side Bones

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Hi everyone,

Just wondering if anyone has any information about side bones they would be kind enough to share with me. My 17 year old cob gelding has been lame since late November, initially with Laminitis (vet diagnosed, digital pulse etc) which passed within about two weeks, but after a week of gentle exercise on the horse walker and limited turnout, he went lame again. Vet said he wasn't laminitic as no signs of laminitis and advised he had shoes put on to help support his feet (he was barefoot, has been for the past eight years) and see if that helped. So he had shoes on and there was no change, worse or better, so decided to try resting him for a couple of weeks to see if he improved (we were slightly cautious that the shoes may be helping but also that he was adjusting to them at the same time as he isn't used to being shod). Again, no change, so vet was called and X-rays were taken. Pedal bone showed no rotation, which surprised me, but X-rays did show side bones on both feet. Vet has now prescribed remedial shoes, bute and another drug which is used to treat arthritis but is non-steroidal (due to history of laminitis). I want to say this is Danilon but can't remember 100%.
In my mind now the plan of action seems to be to see how much he improves following the remedial shoes and pain relief and go from there. I am in two minds as to whether I should ask the vet to do nerve blocks? From what I have read about side bones they only very rarely cause lameness and I am concerned now that the X-rays have thrown a red herring up by finding side bones and that something else may be causing the lameness but has been overlooked. Or am I just being paranoid?!
Has anyone has any experience with side bones? I've never come across a horse with this condition before personally, so I don't really know what to expect. If anyone has any information or experience they could share I would be very grateful!
 
Medial/Lateral balance is the place to look. Did he do xrays from the front? I expect so to see the side bone. Look at how horizontal the base of the pedal bone is, if its not horizontal, then that is likely to be the problem, the foot creates sidebone to stabilise itself.

As for shoeing a laminitic to make it comfy when its been unshod for 8 years is just crazy. To say it provides support, how so? It lifts most of the weight bearing surface off the ground, giving in effect less support and loading the wall and laminae artificially. Get them off as soon as you can.

Post xrays if you have them. cheers

p.s. sidebone will resolve over time, so he'll come right.
 
In my mind now the plan of action seems to be to see how much he improves following the remedial shoes and pain relief and go from there. I am in two minds as to whether I should ask the vet to do nerve blocks? From what I have read about side bones they only very rarely cause lameness and I am concerned now that the X-rays have thrown a red herring up by finding side bones and that something else may be causing the lameness but has been overlooked. Or am I just being paranoid?!
Has anyone has any experience with side bones? I've never come across a horse with this condition before personally, so I don't really know what to expect. If anyone has any information or experience they could share I would be very grateful!

You are not paranoid. :) Foot problems are flipping complex and you are right to wonder if there could be other issues besides the sidebones, especially since this is all following a possible lami attack. I won't bore you with all the foot problems my horses have worked their way through, lol, but the only advice they have led me to offer is to get a referral to a good horspital if you feel your vets haven't really got to the bottom of the problem.
 
Medial/Lateral balance is the place to look. Did he do xrays from the front? I expect so to see the side bone. Look at how horizontal the base of the pedal bone is, if its not horizontal, then that is likely to be the problem, the foot creates sidebone to stabilise itself.

As for shoeing a laminitic to make it comfy when its been unshod for 8 years is just crazy. To say it provides support, how so? It lifts most of the weight bearing surface off the ground, giving in effect less support and loading the wall and laminae artificially. Get them off as soon as you can.

Post xrays if you have them. cheers

p.s. sidebone will resolve over time, so he'll come right.


I will try to get X-rays from vets..! To me the sidebones didn't look that bad.. Definitely not the huge "devil horns" I have seen in some images online. But pedal bone was definitely tilted slightly on the horizontal from the front angle, which I guess is what is causing the problem.
I completely agree about the shoes. I gave the vet the benefit of the doubt at first but those shoes were off within a few weeks. They weren't helping at all, when I told my remedial farrier that the vet advised having just regular shoes on for laminitis even he thought that was odd.
The remedial farrier is coming out tomorrow morning, and is going to look at the X-rays before he comes and decide what the best course of action is. He is quite pro-barefoot so will only put remedial shoes on if there is no barefoot option.
My poor old boy, he never has any problems other than ones with his feet... I guess that's due to being a big ol' cob though, lots of weight to carry! He's feeling very sorry for himself, and his restricted (and polo free!) diet isn't helping. I think I will get him some sugar free polos tomorrow to cheer him up a bit!
Hopefully the farrier will be able to help him tomorrow, and give me a better idea as to what I should do with him and what to expect! The vet seemed happier to refer me to the remedial farrier than explain it too much... I guess the RM will be the expert though!
 
This sounds promising, if you can see some balance issues to put right, then do them. Diet is the make or break factor with unshod horses, keeping their weight down and particularly not having a crest is critical.

Good luck, do post your xrays if you manage to find them.
 
Had the farrier out today and he was useless :(. I'm pretty deflated after this to be honest. All he did was trim his feet a bit, put eucalyptus oil on his soles (to "toughen them up" - his soles aren't the problem at all, it's clearly a "bone" issue, even I could see that on the X-rays) and advise I buy him some hoof boots. I can't see how this will help, and if I spend £200 on boots I will be out of pocket, which I object to considering I don't think these will help at all, and also because he is insured for remedial farriery but not for hoof boots which I buy myself! I have left my vet a voice mail explaining what he did and that I am at a loss as to what to do next, and that my poor boy is still in pain and no better off for the bloody aromatherapy oil, and I am waiting for her to call back. I think I will call my insurance and ask what I have to do to get a different Remedial Farrier out, whether I have to go through another vet or if I can just call one out and claim the costs back. I really don't know what to do :(. He's a bit tubby and cresty but he is only on one small small-holed Haynet per day (which lasts him as he struggles with the little holes and his big mouth) with no turn out and I can't exercise him obviously because of his feet! I'm happy to restrict his diet further but surely that isn't the only issue here? I'm so annoyed with the outcome of the farrier today, I wish I had questioned him more but it was all such a flurry. Even pads would have helped surely. Can I insist he puts remedial shoes on? My horse had good quality horn and strong soles, so it's not like his hoof wouldn't hold a shoe.
If anyone has any suggestions as to what I should do next please advise me, I am not used to dealing with specialists etc, and I feel sometimes I get pushed around a bit by them :(.
 
How long have any of your found side bones take to do the ossification process, and is complete in sidebone in horses.

Say the horse is lame ?
 
My horse has horrendous sidebones. I have been down the nerve block, and everything else line. He also has arthritic changes in just about every joint (he is only 7). I was at the end of my tether as this has been going on for over a year, trying different shoes etc. I found on a very old string a reference to Cytek shoes. Having nothing else to lose, I decided I would give these a go. They are only slightly more expensive that regular shoes, but if they work for your horse they could get to the point where they last longer. After the first shoe (let along the first shoeing) my horse changed the way he stood. After the second front shoe was put on my horse was visibly more comfortable - people who hadnt seen him recently were comment without any prompting from me! When I spoke to my vet about this kind of shoeing he advised it would only be a 50/50 chance of any difference. My horse had been barefoot up until all the problems were diagnosed. After his second shoeing he was visibly sound! I am now at the point where I have started backing my horse with the intention of going for a ride. This is something that I would not have considered a possibility. If you have nothing else to lose, please try these. I am not anything to do with Cytek other than a very grateful owner! Good Luck..
 
My horse has side bones and she is barefoot.
We only found the side bones when we x-rayed for lamesness and found it was due to ringbone and found the sidebones randomly.
She has had nerve blocks and cortsione and is on a glucosamine supplement and bute when needed and she is 100% sound and coming back to full work.

I would also be inclined to thinking that maybe these lameness problems aren't to do with the sidebones, my mare has no problems with hers at all and from what I have read and also from what my vet has said they rarely cause lameness issues!

Hope your horse is doing better :)
 
my 4 yr old was diagnosed with sidebone in all 4 feet. she was lame on and off and used to bank her bed so she was standing on tip toe. my farrier was fantastic and made her special shoes . she was sound from when they went on and never looked back
 
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