Starbucks
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Will you please help me tell him it's a bad idea!!!
*sigh* Dan's decided he wants Star to have babies!
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Tinkerbee
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Which ones star...
cant remember
think of the poooop
think of the poooop
Starbucks
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Second to right in my sig. She is a pedigree and all that but I just don't think we are responsible or knowledgeable enough to have babies!!
I don't think Star would like to have sex either!
I don't think Star would like to have sex either!
CAYLA
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Help him decide by telling him...CALA will take Alfie back....and ask if he actually took notice of the amount of dogs he saw in my mams rescue...and how may pedigree ones there where....and what about the risks of problems and cost of caeserean if it occurs....and could u take any back if problems arised like say 2 adults if need be
CAYLA
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And the prolonged risk of mammary cancer...like your mams dog had
Onyxia
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Nooooooooooooooo Star dog is a sweet,innocent virgin- dont let him corupt her!!!
Starbucks
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I understand all your points Cala but it's not like we would not have kids because of the risks!
Why would you take Alfie back??
Not that it's going to happen but - I'll fight you for him!
Why would you take Alfie back??
lucylemon
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think of howmany will end up in rescues?
show him the links in my siggy and tell him that people who want their dogs to have a litter cause this.
show him the links in my siggy and tell him that people who want their dogs to have a litter cause this.
Starbucks
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I agree, but she is a really nice pedigree dog, so from his point of view it's no different to anyone else breeding a pedigree dog!
But even if Star's babies did get nice homes, it would be nice homes that other dogs could have got and somewhere down the line would result in some dogs never getting a nice home.
BTW - totally agree - just needed to show Dan some negative posts!
But even if Star's babies did get nice homes, it would be nice homes that other dogs could have got and somewhere down the line would result in some dogs never getting a nice home.
BTW - totally agree - just needed to show Dan some negative posts!
Onyxia
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Ohh sure fire way to put him off....pups chew...they LOVE computer cables...new console cables are their favorite
Would be nothing *wrong* with breeding from her as such,just not the best idear.
Lot of hassle for you if nothing else and for no real purpose.
Would be nothing *wrong* with breeding from her as such,just not the best idear.
Lot of hassle for you if nothing else and for no real purpose.
severnmiles
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Which ones star...
cant remember
think of the poooop
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Yep...I have the stuff coming out of me ears!!!! Gah..roll on two weeks....nah I soooo don't mean that.
Hmmm....its something you both need to look and think long and hard about. Do you both have full time jobs? If so I really don't see how anyone could juggle both!
Which ones star...
think of the poooop
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Yep...I have the stuff coming out of me ears!!!! Gah..roll on two weeks....nah I soooo don't mean that.
Hmmm....its something you both need to look and think long and hard about. Do you both have full time jobs? If so I really don't see how anyone could juggle both!
severnmiles
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....and what about the risks of problems and cost of caeserean if it occurs....
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About 1k if it happened and you might end up with all dead puppies! Oh and a simple teeny infection with a course of antibiotics and a few jabs came in at £117!
....and what about the risks of problems and cost of caeserean if it occurs....
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About 1k if it happened and you might end up with all dead puppies! Oh and a simple teeny infection with a course of antibiotics and a few jabs came in at £117!
severnmiles
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Plus has she had her health checks?
Hehe...am I being negative enough yet?
Hehe...am I being negative enough yet?
CAYLA
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I understand all your points Cala but it's not like we would not have kids because of the risks!
Why would you take Alfie back??
Not that it's going to happen but - I'll fight you for him!
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Yeah...but presumabley...u would have one kid at a time with a full knowledgable medical team aiding u....star will have multiples and she would be at home with u...unless u are going to book her into the vets to whelp....which would cost a bloody fortune.
As SM said a caeserean can run into over £1000 for a bitch her size...not to mention the possibility of loosing her.
Erm u couldnt fight me...full stop
I understand all your points Cala but it's not like we would not have kids because of the risks!
Why would you take Alfie back??
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Yeah...but presumabley...u would have one kid at a time with a full knowledgable medical team aiding u....star will have multiples and she would be at home with u...unless u are going to book her into the vets to whelp....which would cost a bloody fortune.
As SM said a caeserean can run into over £1000 for a bitch her size...not to mention the possibility of loosing her.
Erm u couldnt fight me...full stop
CAYLA
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I agree, but she is a really nice pedigree dog, so from his point of view it's no different to anyone else breeding a pedigree dog!
But even if Star's babies did get nice homes, it would be nice homes that other dogs could have got and somewhere down the line would result in some dogs never getting a nice home.
BTW - totally agree - just needed to show Dan some negative posts!
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She may look like a nice pedigree dog...but would her hips scores/eyes/heart coincide with this and its costly to find out...and u would have to get them done to be responsible
Its not just about other dogs missing out on good homes...u cant be positive u will find good homes....as I have proved before...selling for more money does not secure a good home....and what if they breed from them dogs...u could be adding loads to the population
U said u took her from someone who could not cope/give her what she needed and had problems when u first got her
her puppies could potentially end up the same way....surely u would not want this.
And do u have room to take them back...we have rescues returned after years of being adopted....how mant could u take back if need be
Tell him...its not as simple as....just breeding for the sake of of it
I agree, but she is a really nice pedigree dog, so from his point of view it's no different to anyone else breeding a pedigree dog!
But even if Star's babies did get nice homes, it would be nice homes that other dogs could have got and somewhere down the line would result in some dogs never getting a nice home.
BTW - totally agree - just needed to show Dan some negative posts!
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She may look like a nice pedigree dog...but would her hips scores/eyes/heart coincide with this and its costly to find out...and u would have to get them done to be responsible
Its not just about other dogs missing out on good homes...u cant be positive u will find good homes....as I have proved before...selling for more money does not secure a good home....and what if they breed from them dogs...u could be adding loads to the population
U said u took her from someone who could not cope/give her what she needed and had problems when u first got her
And do u have room to take them back...we have rescues returned after years of being adopted....how mant could u take back if need be
Tell him...its not as simple as....just breeding for the sake of of it
piebaldsparkle
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How can you even consider breeding when in your earlier post you 'state but 2 dogs are well enough for our little house'???
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2525191/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2525191/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD
CAYLA
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How can you even consider breeding when in your earlier post you 'state but 2 dogs are well enough for our little house'???
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2525191/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD
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Yeah....and theres that
tell him that
and missus...never mind u brining up baby risks..u are supposed to be putting him off too
we are helping u...remember
How can you even consider breeding when in your earlier post you 'state but 2 dogs are well enough for our little house'???
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2525191/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD
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Yeah....and theres that
prose
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In a word, leave it to the pros. There are so many unwanted pedigrees about, as Calas pictures surely prove.
Stella has a great pedigree, too (top BT of all time is her great-grandfather; 85% champions in her pedigree) yet I still wouldn't want to breed her, because, in spite of her solid background, sound conformation and health check passes, I *still* don't think she's good enough to be bred. If she was, her breeder would have kept her. Simple as.
A good breeder will always take a dog of theirs back, whatever the circumstances. Would you be prepared to go to those lengths?
Stella has a great pedigree, too (top BT of all time is her great-grandfather; 85% champions in her pedigree) yet I still wouldn't want to breed her, because, in spite of her solid background, sound conformation and health check passes, I *still* don't think she's good enough to be bred. If she was, her breeder would have kept her. Simple as.
A good breeder will always take a dog of theirs back, whatever the circumstances. Would you be prepared to go to those lengths?
danhappy
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I had a simlilar problem with OH wanting to breed Amber when he found out his mate has a male intact pedigree AM, I put him off by telling him she would need health checks, Hips come in at £250, eyes the same, so thats £500. She has no papers (although we know she's a pedigree) so couldnt get Pups KC Reg, She would need scans (£40+), money put aside for a C-section in case she needed it (£500+) pups care (never got as far as that figure) and possibly 6-7 people who could really take on an AM. I have also heard if you dont do health checks and pups have problems, you can be held liable too, thats why they are insisted they are done.
Oh, and then there's the stud fee for his friends, or first pick of the litter, and the stud would would need the health checks too.
Oh, and then there's the stud fee for his friends, or first pick of the litter, and the stud would would need the health checks too.
Starbucks
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Thanks guys, I think I've talked him out of it now!
Tia
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Oh good. Didn't think I was of any help to you as I am not a dog breeder, however the only thing I can say is, although my little Lily has landed us in this position, if any of her pups didn't get sold or had to come back to us I'd definitely take pups back if they didn't work out because the space is not an issue to us. I really only like to have 3 dogs, however if the reality due our circumstances, turned out that we ended up with 5 or 6 dogs, it really wouldn't be a big deal as we have more than enough room for lots of doggies.
This is definitely something you would have had to take into consideration.
This is definitely something you would have had to take into consideration.
MizElz
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As someone who has bred intentionally, because our dog was a 'nice stamp' and because her temperament is lovely, I would NEVER do it again.
We nearly lost both China and all 11 puppies, and would have done had we listened to the vet, who told us, at 1.30am, to take her home - she's had one pup, the rest would follow fine. They didnt, and three hours later, China was rushed into the theatre for a caesarean. bearing in mind (although this was by no means the reason for breeding) we were skint and would have appreciated the puppy money, the £2000 vet bill meant we were out of pocket at the end of it. In future, we will be leaving it to the professionals!
We nearly lost both China and all 11 puppies, and would have done had we listened to the vet, who told us, at 1.30am, to take her home - she's had one pup, the rest would follow fine. They didnt, and three hours later, China was rushed into the theatre for a caesarean. bearing in mind (although this was by no means the reason for breeding) we were skint and would have appreciated the puppy money, the £2000 vet bill meant we were out of pocket at the end of it. In future, we will be leaving it to the professionals!
Cobland
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What people forget is that there is no real money out of breeding properly. My friend breeds GSDs and everytime she gets both bitch and dog checked out at the vets. They are hip scored etc, this costs around £200-£300.
By the time you pay for the pups feed, wormers etc there isnt a great deal of money to make.
I did read somewhere that out of a litter of 6, about 4 are rehomed before it reaches 2 years old.
I have found out that even a pedigree cant guarantee a good loving home. Used to help out at a rehoming centre, they had many pedigrees in, even one of those ridgeback dogs.
By the time you pay for the pups feed, wormers etc there isnt a great deal of money to make.
I did read somewhere that out of a litter of 6, about 4 are rehomed before it reaches 2 years old.
I have found out that even a pedigree cant guarantee a good loving home. Used to help out at a rehoming centre, they had many pedigrees in, even one of those ridgeback dogs.
echodomino
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think of how many will end up in rescues?
show him the links in my siggy and tell him that people who want their dogs to have a litter cause this.
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Why would they end up in rescue? I know it happens but you make it sound like everyone who breeds a litter has all their pups end up in rescue.
Granted rescues are good and helping a rescue rather than having a puppy is good but please be careful how you word your posts because you're making it seem like every breeder is a bad breeder - and we're not!
Please don't take offence, I'm not being funny!!
think of how many will end up in rescues?
show him the links in my siggy and tell him that people who want their dogs to have a litter cause this.
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Why would they end up in rescue? I know it happens but you make it sound like everyone who breeds a litter has all their pups end up in rescue.
Granted rescues are good and helping a rescue rather than having a puppy is good but please be careful how you word your posts because you're making it seem like every breeder is a bad breeder - and we're not!
Please don't take offence, I'm not being funny!!
Tia
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I agree with you Echodomino. Gosh one of my dogs is having crossbreed puppies (god forbid) and all of my buyers are buying because they absolutely adore my dog Lily. They are not the sort of numpties who are incapable of looking after dogs properly - I wouldn't sell puppies to people like that. All of my buyers know fine well that if their circumstances ever changed, that I would take the dogs, which my bitch bred, at any time in the future.
Not all people who breed dogs are stupid you know and not all puppies/dogs end up in rescue centres. I do think that people should get things in proportion - yes some do end up in rescue centres but it is a small minority of all dogs within the country.
Not all people who breed dogs are stupid you know and not all puppies/dogs end up in rescue centres. I do think that people should get things in proportion - yes some do end up in rescue centres but it is a small minority of all dogs within the country.