Silence from the Antis

Hercules · 2 January 2007

Huge turnouts at the Boxing Day and New Year's Day Meets. On the Radio 4's Today programme, the Hunting Act was voted to be the piece of legislation that should be scrapped. However, the only noise from the antis has been the pitiful bleating from Anne 'I ate all the pies and am still very hungry' Widdecombe.

Have the antis:

a. Finally realised that they are wasting their time and that Hunting will be here for generations to come.

b. Gone mute.

c. Gone to have a wash and find a job?

Answers please.

Clodagh · 2 January 2007

b.
!! c. most unlikely!!

peakpark · 2 January 2007

quote / On the Radio 4's Today programme, the Hunting Act was voted to be the piece of legislation that should be scrapped. However, the only noise from the antis has been the pitiful bleating from Anne 'I ate all the pies and am still very hungry' Widdecombe. / quote

Yes, she (and a few others) said that it was rigged because the CA put vote to repeal hunting on their website. Well if those complaining had bothered to look on the internet there were plenty of other pressure groups exhorting people to vote for leaving the EU and scrapping SOCPA etc.
These Radio 4 public voting schemes don't always turn out as the organisers hoped. Do you remember when the Labour MP Steven Pound said he would use his Private Member's Bill slot to put forward a proposal voted on by Today listeners? Well, the listeners voted for the right to shoot intruders. Naturally, Pound took his promise no further!

gemz666 · 2 January 2007

c. gone to have a wash and find a job hopefuly

wurzel · 2 January 2007

I think it must be "A"

"C" is highly unlikely.

Not "B". I heard Tony Banks turning in his grave.

flying_change · 3 January 2007

Were these Boxing Day hunts hunting within the law ?

Eagle_day · 3 January 2007

I think 'A'. The usual rabids are still quite vocal but they don't seem to have the numbers behind them they used to. As someone said recently (I think Simon Hart) we've moved the debate on from the survival of hunting to the survival of the Hunting Act. A Happy Hunting New Year to you all.

Hercules · 3 January 2007

''Were these Boxing Day hunts hunting within the law ?''

The self appointed LACS Hunt Monitors should be able to answer that question for you. After all their website states that they are 'highly trained'?!!

However, even as someone who has been involved in hunting for over 30 years, the law is so ridiculous, I couldn't tell you if any laws were being broken.

If you want to know if hounds killed foxes on Boxing Day, the answer is most definitely yes. Was it illegal? Who knows?!!

flying_change · 3 January 2007

"Was it illegal? Who knows?!! "

The legality is the whole crux of the issue.

Hercules · 3 January 2007

Wrong. Knowing what exactly is illegal is the crux of the issue.

In this instance, legaliy is not the point. The point is that support for hunting is greater now than in the past couple of generations. If like LACS you believe that support has increased because people perceive that hunting is now only the act of following a laid trail, then you are more naive than I have given you credit for.

The act of hunting is here to stay. Get over yourself and live with it.

flying_change · 3 January 2007

The crux is this... if the hunting is legal, then I dont care that it's more popular.

jerryboy · 3 January 2007

If you want to know if hounds killed foxes on Boxing Day, the answer is most definitely yes. Was it illegal? Who knows?!!

Ok then - please provide details of which hunts killed a fox and which exemption they were hunting under.

wurzel · 3 January 2007

Surely the crux of the issue is the death of the fox.

Or have you forgotten the fox on your crusade?

wurzel · 3 January 2007

You need to ask LACS about this.

http://www.league.org.uk/uploads/documents/doc_326.pdf

Have a read.

You have nothing to contribute....maybe you can at least learn something!

flying_change · 4 January 2007

"Or have you forgotten the fox on your crusade? "

Why are you so sentimental about foxes all of a sudden ? If you think it's wrong to kill them, you are free to stop.

wurzel · 4 January 2007

I am not sentimental about foxes.

Thats both of us who are not.

Why do you imagine I am?

The only difference is this. I want to chase them for 25 minutes with a quick death.

You want them to suffer in a snare.

I think I will carry on what we have always done.

flying_change · 4 January 2007

"I think I will carry on what we have always done"

And I think I will carry on believing that making a sport out of killing is wrong.

peakpark · 4 January 2007

They can get a man on the moon, but.........................
they can't get a man on top of Anne Widdecombe.

jerryboy · 4 January 2007

Oh yes - baiting with a terrier underground is a quick death.

Stop making things up. You live in a fantasy land.

CARREG · 4 January 2007

YAWN......Terrierwork has nothing to do with baiting, bear baiting, badger baiting or any other type of baiting all have 1 thing in common the animals used in these activities have no chance of escape, terriers are used to bolt foxes into nets, or to be shot with a gun, if needed they will be dug if the fox has gone to a stop end, no entrances are blocked and the fox is always allowed to bolt....how much terrierwork have you actually witnessed Jerryboy..??..................Carreg

Hercules · 4 January 2007

Oh yes - baiting with a terrier underground is a quick death.

Stop making things up. You live in a fantasy land.

Jerryboy,

You are clueless. Although you dissaprove of terrierwork, amusingly it has not been banned (slightly restricted). Your campaigning clearly wasn't effective.

I laugh at you.

Hercules · 4 January 2007

The crux is this... if the hunting is legal, then I dont care that it's more popular.

The crux is this... you can not tell whether hunts are breaking the law or not. Neither can the 'highly trained' LACS curtain twitchers.

If you could tell, I am sure that you would be yelling from the rooftops.

Amusingly, noone really cares what the antis think, least of all the police and CPS.

Still laughing at your wasted effort.

jerryboy · 4 January 2007

Oh dear Carreg - yet another who lives in fantasy land.

You may be able to pull the wool over some people's eyes but not mine.

You MAY operate as you describe in the murky terrrier world but please do not pretend that this description represents reality. "The fox is always allowed to bolt" - what a load of old bollox.

How many digs have I witnessed? Enough to form an opinion but not as many as I would have liked to due to the violence meted out by your terriermen friends or the fact that they simply did not want to have their activities filmed and so they gave up the dig.

Why are/were they so opposed to the filming of a legal activity?

severnmiles · 4 January 2007

""The fox is always allowed to bolt" - what a load of old bollox"

I'm having trouble understanding you....I really don't think you have witnessed any terrierwork. As you say below, any digs you have tried to witness the terriermen have 'given up the dig', so its clear you have little or no knowledge.

Regarding them not wanting to be filmed, I don't blame them, pre-ban under MFHA rules only licenced terriermen and his/their assistant(s) are to attend the earth. Its not that they have anything to hide.

If you suddenly started filming me riding my horse I'd probably politely tell you to b*gger off and if you stayed then I'd stop...what would I have to hide? Nothing.

Hercules · 4 January 2007

Jerryboy,

Having sex is a legal activity. If you've ever had any heterosexual sex, would you like to be filmed conducting it?

What gives you the right to film people going about their business?

severnmiles · 4 January 2007

Having sex is a legal activity. If you've ever had any heterosexual sex, would you like to be filmed conducting it?

This is now getting really interesting ;-)

CARREG · 4 January 2007

I think you'll find Im as straight as they come fella, no room in fantasy land for me, I asked you a question how many digs 10's 100's 1000's how many, Ive invited loads of antis out to observe a days work with me and write truthfully on here what they see, everyone has declined, I wonder why.........Carreg

P.S could you explain how someone goes about giving up on a dig, its a new one on me having never done it. Thanks

flying_change · 5 January 2007

"The crux is this... you can not tell whether hunts are breaking the law or not. Neither can the 'highly trained' LACS curtain twitchers."

Well, I wasnt there, which is why I asked.

"Still laughing at your wasted effort. "

Asking a question was no effort.

severnmiles · 5 January 2007

P.S could you explain how someone goes about giving up on a dig, its a new one on me having never done it. Thanks

I too wondered that but didn't draw attention to it.

endymion · 5 January 2007

I'm glad to see so many people out enjoying themselves while hunting within the law.

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