longtalltilly
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Just thought Id ask - alittle confuzed....the show I went to today a Cob won the open ridden hunter class! A very nice cob so be it but a cob all the same!!!!
Since when have cobs won hunter classes??
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Slinkyunicorn
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Why shouldn't they??
A beautiful hw cob won the Working Hunter class at our Hunt kennels this year.
samstar
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Why shouldn't they??
A beautiful hw cob won the Working Hunter class at our Hunt kennels this year.
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wasn't nixon was it
Why shouldn't they??
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wasn't nixon was it
welshied
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Cobs are like hunter types anyways as long as shown in correct way
longtalltilly
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Im not saying they shouldnt but there is a difference between hunters and cobs!!! Cobs have completly seperate class to themselves...you wouldnt find a hunter in a cob class!
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lilym
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At local it doesn't really matter......my cob is shown at local level in cob/cob type classes and hunter type classes, she is totally suitable for a day on the hunting field, so why shouldn't i show her in that class, the word "type" is the clue for me, unfortunatley she is only 14hh, if she were full up 15/15.1hh she would be shown at county level as a LW showcob.....but local level is about having fun, so let people enter what they want.
moodymare1987
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Well the local shows I have been to never have cobs in them, personally I wouldnt even waste my time taking a cob into a ridden hunter class.
But that is just my opinion, at my riding club there are so many nice hunters 20 + already why bother with a cob that is not right for the class anyway. To also be told horse isnt right for class. Yes has actually happened to someone who mixed up classes.
But that is just my opinion, at my riding club there are so many nice hunters 20 + already why bother with a cob that is not right for the class anyway. To also be told horse isnt right for class. Yes has actually happened to someone who mixed up classes.
k9h
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Im not saying they shouldnt but there is a difference between hunters and cobs!!! Cobs have completly seperate class to themselves...you wouldnt find a hunter in a cob class!
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For the last 5 years I have whipped in on a cob, 2 days a week all day long all season long.
I have often thought of him going in a hunter class but knowing that he would be turfed out for not being right, when he would be more 'qualified' then any other horse in there!
Im not saying they shouldnt but there is a difference between hunters and cobs!!! Cobs have completly seperate class to themselves...you wouldnt find a hunter in a cob class!
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For the last 5 years I have whipped in on a cob, 2 days a week all day long all season long.
I have often thought of him going in a hunter class but knowing that he would be turfed out for not being right, when he would be more 'qualified' then any other horse in there!
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lilym
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Well the local shows I have been to never have cobs in them, personally I wouldnt even waste my time taking a cob into a ridden hunter class.
But that is just my opinion, at my riding club there are so many nice hunters 20 + already why bother with a cob that is not right for the class anyway. To also be told horse isnt right for class. Yes has actually happened to someone who mixed up classes.
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depends on the type of local show - we have the serious ones with qualifiers etc - i wouldn't bother with those - and the kind of fun show where things are more relaxed. Half the so called hunters round my way are more like riding horses, and would look out of place in a county hunter class anyway....if people want to be pedantic about it...post seems sour grapes to me..
Well the local shows I have been to never have cobs in them, personally I wouldnt even waste my time taking a cob into a ridden hunter class.
But that is just my opinion, at my riding club there are so many nice hunters 20 + already why bother with a cob that is not right for the class anyway. To also be told horse isnt right for class. Yes has actually happened to someone who mixed up classes.
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depends on the type of local show - we have the serious ones with qualifiers etc - i wouldn't bother with those - and the kind of fun show where things are more relaxed. Half the so called hunters round my way are more like riding horses, and would look out of place in a county hunter class anyway....if people want to be pedantic about it...post seems sour grapes to me..
longtalltilly
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This was a qualifier - which is why i dont understand - It will go to the champs and get booted out for being in completly wrong class.... it wasnt as though it were a cobby type either - more maxi cob than anything!!
Enfys
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Since the Judge of the day deemed it most suitable amongst those entered in the class for the job perhaps?
I know a great many cobs that could whup the pants of these so called hunters any day of the week. I know nothing about showing, so perhaps it is a rule I wouldn't have a clue, but I actually think that in classes like this, and I don't care how good a show it is, the horse SHOULD have hunted, how many show hunters have? Not so many I'm sure.
beutifulwobble
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I have won local hunter classes on my gorgeous HW cob- when others complained the judge very clearly stated that a) he was the most suitable type for a days hunting in the class b) he did the best show and c) he was more like a hunter than th earab cross and the other spindly creature at the end.
The only reason i entered the class was that the cob class was non existent!!! he needed a day out as did i so it seemed the logical choice.
i also agree with Enfys in the fact to enter ahunter class the horse should of hunted and also the person who said about it being a possible maxi cob- if it was hogged which some hunts do as its easier to manage manes then it prob wasnt heavy enough for a cob class perhaps
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The only reason i entered the class was that the cob class was non existent!!! he needed a day out as did i so it seemed the logical choice.
i also agree with Enfys in the fact to enter ahunter class the horse should of hunted and also the person who said about it being a possible maxi cob- if it was hogged which some hunts do as its easier to manage manes then it prob wasnt heavy enough for a cob class perhaps
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MurphysMinder
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Well Murph is ID x but in type resembles a cob more than some of the hunters we see at local show level. He has always done really well in WH classes which doesn't seem to go down too well with those on fine types that "show jump" round the course. Before we got him he was used for Field master and whipped in off for 5 seasons, so think he could genuinely be described as a hunter.
spacefaer
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A ridden hunter is a particular type of show horse - one that should have good enough conformation to be more likely to stay sound and perform well. It should also give a comfortable well schooled ride that the judge should want to take it for a day's hunting. There is no requirement that the horse should have hunted - although some leading show producers do hunt their show hunters - the Bells and the Olivers for instance.
A cob is a completely different stamp of horse and while the requirements are the same - good conformation and a good ride - the description of a "good" cob would not be the same as a "good" ridden hunter type.
Cobs make fantastic hunters - but that is not what is being judged in the show ring. The judge is looking at the TYPE and as such, no, a cob should not win an open ridden hunter class, no matter how good an example of a cob it is. (Arabs should not be in the class either, as they are not "hunter type".)
I have seen "Ridden horse" classes at local/RC level and in one of those, yes a cob could (and should) win, if it was a good example of its type, and gave a good ride.
A cob is a completely different stamp of horse and while the requirements are the same - good conformation and a good ride - the description of a "good" cob would not be the same as a "good" ridden hunter type.
Cobs make fantastic hunters - but that is not what is being judged in the show ring. The judge is looking at the TYPE and as such, no, a cob should not win an open ridden hunter class, no matter how good an example of a cob it is. (Arabs should not be in the class either, as they are not "hunter type".)
I have seen "Ridden horse" classes at local/RC level and in one of those, yes a cob could (and should) win, if it was a good example of its type, and gave a good ride.
Simsar
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A friend of ours rides a very nice show cob and does very well at county level with him, she took him to our local show last year and the working cob track was to small and he made no effort at it, so his rider decided to take him in the open working hunter around the bigger track, he won qualifying for the balanced horse feeds championship! The judge deemed him as the ''HORSE HE WOULD MOST LIKE TO HUNT.'' Another friend has a full ID that they competed very successfully at county maxi cobs hogged, now they have grown the horses mane and would not look out of place in middle weight hunters, I see no reason why they cannot do both! It apears to me that the ''HUNTERS'' are not substantial enough now anyway, so why not let a GOOD quality cob win?
AmyMay
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Cobs are like hunter types anyways as long as shown in correct way
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Eh?, they're nothing like a hunter 'type'. And so a cob should not have won a hunter class. In showing terms, it simply is not correct. Whatever our own personal beliefs are.
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Eh?, they're nothing like a hunter 'type'. And so a cob should not have won a hunter class. In showing terms, it simply is not correct. Whatever our own personal beliefs are.
moodymare1987
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How can you say hunters and cobs can go in the same class, They are two different type and you cant judge them the same.
I know you can take a cob hunting etc so people think it is a hunter type, but what about all the other types of ponies/horse go hunting. Does that mean we should see highlands in show hunter pony classes just because they go hunting?
How can you say hunters and cobs can go in the same class, They are two different type and you cant judge them the same.
I know you can take a cob hunting etc so people think it is a hunter type, but what about all the other types of ponies/horse go hunting. Does that mean we should see highlands in show hunter pony classes just because they go hunting?
FMM
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Interestingly, there have been cases where a horse has shown as a RIHS cob one season, then the following season moved into small hunter classes. It happens frequently. So the difference between a LW cob and a small hunter is obviously not that great.
There is also an immensely successful large riding horse which has won lots this year which is also shown as a hunter.
There is also an immensely successful large riding horse which has won lots this year which is also shown as a hunter.
moodymare1987
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I know there are some that are on the line of being able to do both. I know people who have done riding horse/hunter quite successfully.
I know a friend who did a hunter class with her cob and got told it was not right for the class. It was plaited, but said horse was a proper cob not an inbetween one.
I know a friend who did a hunter class with her cob and got told it was not right for the class. It was plaited, but said horse was a proper cob not an inbetween one.
beutifulwobble
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TBH - i think it also boils down to what the judge deems acceptable as well. I am in no doubt that had it been a judge who was looking for the classic 'hunter type' then we would not have won. However I think that this judge was looking for somthing different given what he had in the class.
I have been in cob classes were there have been plaited horses as well as watching a hunter class with a blatent riding horse in it.
As i said up to the judge and they can be a fickle brred at times too!!!
I have been in cob classes were there have been plaited horses as well as watching a hunter class with a blatent riding horse in it.
As i said up to the judge and they can be a fickle brred at times too!!!
moodymare1987
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Well yes I agree, different judges look for different things.
Well done anyway, I dont mean to say you shouldnt have won, but I know at the riding club shows I do, A cob would not even get a look in the placings.
I do love cobs btw Im not a cob hater, I would actually love a maxi cob, just finding a good one, few and far between.
Well done anyway, I dont mean to say you shouldnt have won, but I know at the riding club shows I do, A cob would not even get a look in the placings.
I do love cobs btw Im not a cob hater, I would actually love a maxi cob, just finding a good one, few and far between.
Lucy_Nottingham
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Since I started riding mine!
hehe joking.
No at local shows near me, they sometimes have separate show cob and show hunter classes, sometiems they have open hunter/cob classes and show the 2 together!
Now adays there is (as stated above) little between a hunter and LW cob. A HW maxi cob could prob pass for a heavier hunter (depending how heavy etc)
I think it depends on the horse and the show! Iv shown a shire in a hunter class before and came second! (there were no other classes he could go in and he likes the extention part!
was just a laugh but he did really well!
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hehe joking.
No at local shows near me, they sometimes have separate show cob and show hunter classes, sometiems they have open hunter/cob classes and show the 2 together!
Now adays there is (as stated above) little between a hunter and LW cob. A HW maxi cob could prob pass for a heavier hunter (depending how heavy etc)
I think it depends on the horse and the show! Iv shown a shire in a hunter class before and came second! (there were no other classes he could go in and he likes the extention part!
H's mum
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Ditto FMM
My cob was quite light for a LW cob and we used to switch between LW Cob classes and Small hunter classes - he did equally well in both classes!
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My cob was quite light for a LW cob and we used to switch between LW Cob classes and Small hunter classes - he did equally well in both classes!
Kate x
miss_c
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Why not? Many cobs hunt and will last all day. I was stewarding at a riding club show recently and the judge (who was excellent) placed one horse because it looked like it would actually hunt all day. On the other hand, yesterday at the show I went to a hunter (which wasn't a cob, I know it's shire x andalusian which to me is chunky but not cob!) was placed 3rd!
hollykb
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This thread has made me even more confused about show classes! I often think about doing local shows but look at the lists of classes and have no idea what to enter!
16hh warmblood mare, riding horse? 16hh ID mare, has hunted, hunter type? Or riding horse as well? I haven't done any showing before and am rather nervous about walking into completely the wrong class! My friend has a cob x trotter, she has hunted, could that be hunter type? Help!
16hh warmblood mare, riding horse? 16hh ID mare, has hunted, hunter type? Or riding horse as well? I haven't done any showing before and am rather nervous about walking into completely the wrong class! My friend has a cob x trotter, she has hunted, could that be hunter type? Help!