SJ Schooling with videos bit of advice please

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Morning, was looking through some videos last night and came across a couple from a schooling session about a month ago at Patchetts and was a bit disheartened watching he seems to go disunited in canter all the time :( Those of you who don't know Jack he is 12 and jumping 1m20/1m30 courses I have produced him from BN over the past 3 years i'm a true amateur rider and probably jump at home once a week. He is well schooled on the flat and has established flying changes, he doesn't go disunited when flat schooling at all but when jump schooling seems to do it quite a lot. He used to do it in the ring when he was learning flying changes but rarley does it now. So just wanted to rack your brains, do you think it is something I am doing? I know in these video's my reins are horribly long not sure why! So here goes what do you think?
Short course - Fine over 1 & 2 then had to circle before 3 due to being disunited
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSAo-Lx_UGk
Little practice JO course - Disunited on all the tightish turn backs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DebEUb8gosQ
This is a recent video of us in the ring where he doesn't go disunited once
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGTWFDM5z_U&feature=relmfu
Thanks for reading :)
 
Morning. Was the Patchetts video before or after Wales and West? Watching the schooling session I would say that he only lands disunited when you are landing left lead. I don't think you are doing anything wrong at all, but it strikes me if he might have a bit of a niggle somewhere in that video. If you've jumped him since and he's been fine i wouldn't worry too much. However, if he keeps doing that i'd be tempted to have his back, hind legs checked.
 
You have a super horse that looks as if he really enjoys his job:)
A few observations from someone who spends a lot of time on the ground and does not jump anymore, in the first video at the very end he is on right canter, which he does seem to have a preference for, you ask him to change and he does a half trot stride not a clean change so that is something to work on. Spend time getting the change more crisp, he really needs to listen even at the end of a round and then you may find it easier to get him to change behind when he is disunited.
In the j/o round he is wrong most of the time, I would try doing similar but with a clear place to change planned beforehand and insist on him being correct even if it means repeating each jump until he listens.
In the ring he seems to find it easier, it could be that there is more room, thinking time, you could be a little more purposeful as it is a competition or it could be the surface, he jumps a really solid round.
If you haven't recently had a back and saddle check it would be worth it just to rule out anything physical but my feeling is that he is just being lazy and not bothered if he comes to a jump disunited because he can still jump it:)
 
Supanova said:
Morning. Was the Patchetts video before or after Wales and West? Watching the schooling session I would say that he only lands disunited when you are landing left lead. I don't think you are doing anything wrong at all, but it strikes me if he might have a bit of a niggle somewhere in that video. If you've jumped him since and he's been fine i wouldn't worry too much. However, if he keeps doing that i'd be tempted to have his back, hind legs checked.
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It was before. He is def easier to change left to right he can be cheeky and use his changes to throw in the odd buck but again never does this in the ring! What sort of back person would you recommend? Mc Timony?
 
be positive said:
You have a super horse that looks as if he really enjoys his job:)
A few observations from someone who spends a lot of time on the ground and does not jump anymore, in the first video at the very end he is on right canter, which he does seem to have a preference for, you ask him to change and he does a half trot stride not a clean change so that is something to work on. Spend time getting the change more crisp, he really needs to listen even at the end of a round and then you may find it easier to get him to change behind when he is disunited.
In the j/o round he is wrong most of the time, I would try doing similar but with a clear place to change planned beforehand and insist on him being correct even if it means repeating each jump until he listens.
In the ring he seems to find it easier, it could be that there is more room, thinking time, you could be a little more purposeful as it is a competition or it could be the surface, he jumps a really solid round.
If you haven't recently had a back and saddle check it would be worth it just to rule out anything physical but my feeling is that he is just being lazy and not bothered if he comes to a jump disunited because he can still jump it:)
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Thanks :) he is a really good boy and always tries hard even if I have him on less than perfect stride!! I think you are right about being more strict with him when he doesn't change first time but it is hard when you are trying to do a course and keep things flowing. He makes life harder for himself jumping from that disunited canter as he needs to use twice as much effort. He did have a massage recently and they said he was in tip top condition, what sort of back person would you recommend we don't use anyone regular at the moment for his back.
 
claire_p2001 said:
It was before. He is def easier to change left to right he can be cheeky and use his changes to throw in the odd buck but again never does this in the ring! What sort of back person would you recommend? Mc Timony?
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My boy is weak on the left and finds his changes harder (and also any lateral work) due to this, Im using a great physio he was being seen once a week for about a month but after a few sessions were down to seeing her every 3months, and its a noticeable improvement, we have exercises in hand, ridden and on the lunge to do. Where about in the country are you as you were at Wales & West, is that local for you? Im not far from there and could give you my physio's number.
Also wanted to say Im a massive Jack fan!!!!
 
ellie_e said:
My boy is weak on the left and finds his changes harder (and also any lateral work) due to this, Im using a great physio he was being seen once a week for about a month but after a few sessions were down to seeing her every 3months, and its a noticeable improvement, we have exercises in hand, ridden and on the lunge to do. Where about in the country are you as you were at Wales & West, is that local for you? Im not far from there and could give you my physio's number.
Also wanted to say Im a massive Jack fan!!!!
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Thanks thats really godo to know, we are based in Hertfordshire just went to Wales for the weekend, lucky you having such a great venue close :) I will look in to physio's in our area hopefully I can find someone good to give him the once over.
 
Everyone seems to have different preferences for back treatments, I use a very good physio, I would ask your vets who they use, most vets will have a good opinion of someone and will see the work they have done, just make sure whoever you use is correctly trained and registered, they should also ask for vets permission before treating.

You said he is easier to change left to right, he does seem to prefer right canter, so that is something to really work on, it may be that his left hind is a little weaker than his right, or you are stronger on that rein.
 
claire_p2001 said:
Thanks thats really godo to know, we are based in Hertfordshire just went to Wales for the weekend, lucky you having such a great venue close :) I will look in to physio's in our area hopefully I can find someone good to give him the once over.
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If only Claire!!! We hate going! Zu isnt the best at large shows and Its always so busy last time we went it was a complete nightmare, hoping he will calm down the older and more experience he gets :rolleyes: such a shame I have such a awkward horse, as its a lovely venue and well run.
Have a look on this, you know your geting someone decent! http://www.acpat.org/
 
I've used both physios and chiros but i have actually found the physio to be the best. However, i guess it is dependent on the individual. I had a chiro who said there was nothing wrong with my mare and then the physio found her to be very sore - post treatment she was a different horse.
 
Hi, I might have missed some reports from you so good to hear all is well. Checking back and saddles are always good routine checks but something to think of is you. I know this only as I am always asking for left lead after a jump on any horse i ride in a straight line over a jump i.e. practice ring. I know this as no matter what horse I jump it happens. But never happens in a course situation - go figure! So I would just get a trainer to watch what you are doing, it could be you are blocking with your seat bone so he can't bring his left hind through on the left rein. I know for my issue I need to make sure my left hip comes forward more. it feels weird but just like horses we are all crooked.

It probably isn't you but I'm always one to look at myself first and then go from there. Look forward to more reports soon :)
 
Jacko said:
It probably isn't you but I'm always one to look at myself first and then go from there. Look forward to more reports soon :)
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I think it probably is me! I must admit i haven't had a lesson for ages due to lack of funds but I am having one on Saturday afternoon and I am prepared to be shouted at!! I have become so rusty without having a regular trainer. Haven't really had much to report lately we are having a short break from competitions to focus on training ready for the winter season :)
 
First of all well done you for producing a fab little horse who make those fences look like 2'9!!

Not telling you how to suck eggs and it looks like you know what yor doing, but have you had his back and teeth checked?
 
Watched the vids several times and something to possibly consider.
In the first vid he did land on correct lead as was his first stride. You then checked he quite strongly (with outside flexion) which is when he went disunited.

Second vid (tight approaches) he is very contained in his canter with further checks before fences.

Third vid (comp) he is ridden in a more forward fluid way and doesn't go disunited.

Becoming disunited also seems to be associated with him lifting his head high and becoming a little hollow. Again this doesn't happen to the same degree in the comp round.

Might be worth trying to ride him more off your leg when turning tight or checking and see if it makes a difference.
 
Oldenburg27 said:
First of all well done you for producing a fab little horse who make those fences look like 2'9!!

Not telling you how to suck eggs and it looks like you know what yor doing, but have you had his back and teeth checked?
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Thanks :) He does make the jumps feel easy its just the bits in between that isn't so easy bless him. He has his teeth done every 6 months but I am going to speak to the vet to recommend a physio to come and check him over. It will also be interesting to see what my trainer says on Sat after a long break will try and get more videos.
 
PaddyMonty said:
Watched the vids several times and something to possibly consider.
In the first vid he did land on correct lead as was his first stride. You then checked he quite strongly (with outside flexion) which is when he went disunited.

Second vid (tight approaches) he is very contained in his canter with further checks before fences.

Third vid (comp) he is ridden in a more forward fluid way and doesn't go disunited.

Becoming disunited also seems to be associated with him lifting his head high and becoming a little hollow. Again this doesn't happen to the same degree in the comp round.

Might be worth trying to ride him more off your leg when turning tight or checking and see if it makes a difference.
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Thanks PM thats really interesting and very helpful it's always good to have another pair of eyes :) I will try at home riding away from the fence without checking and see if this helps i'm sure it will. Also I can see what you are saying about the turns i'm riding alot from my hands and not my legs i can def practice this at home thanks
 
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