Slaughtermen code of conduct?

[pistolpete]

I found out today a friend had her pony shot and taken away by a local slaughterman without him even asking to see the pony's passport. This can't be right? She wasn't known to the firm and it could have been anyone's pony! Anyone else know anything about this practice?

 

[Gingerwitch]

I have known several horses pts by vets and they have never asked to see the passport either.

 

[Peregrine Falcon]

I had a pony put down by our local hunt at the end of September and wasn't asked for the passport. It wasn't my pony but one we had had on loan. I guess if the vet does it then it's already been agreed by whoever is caring for the horse, still makes a mockery of the whole passport scheme I think. I have to admit I didn't really think about the passport at the time but I did afterwards.

 

[Bigbenji]

Food for thought isn't it?
I helped someone late last year who's elderly pony had gone down and was dying, vet was present but didn't have a gun and attempts to inject were a no go due the how far gone pony was. The local knacker man? (Shoots and supplies to the zoo) came to put down and collect as would of been quicker than vet. Pony passed before he arrived but all he asked was has the pony had any drugs that could harm the lions? No passport check no checking for proof of ownership.

I felt it strange at the time but often emotions run high at sad times and you don't stop to question things.

Gingerwitch - re vets, my old lad was pts by my vet but then they have his history and mine to hand so knew his history and as such and seen his journey coming to its end.

 

[be positive]

Passports do not provide evidence of ownership they serve only one real purpose in legal terms and that is to prevent horses entering the food chain illegally so if put down and disposed of there is no reason for a slaughterman to require the passport, he is not there to check whether it was stolen or not, merely to do a very necessary job in as humane a way as possible.

 

[Bigbenji]

But the horses medical history and suitability for entering the food chain is logged on the passport.

 

[be positive]

But the horses medical history and suitability for entering the food chain is logged on the passport.

If it goes to the local knackerman it will not enter the food chain most go to an incinerator.

 

[Bigbenji]

That's what I always thought until this occasion. This guy supplies to the zoo so they are going into a food chain hence why he asked if the pony had had any drugs.
Just crazy that we have passports with information as to wether the horse is suitable or signed out of the food chain yet they don't seem to be checked :/

Then again why am I surprised, passports seem to be as much use as a chocolate teapot.

 

[Shantara]

Two in the "R.I.P" part of my signature were PTS by the hunt and we were not asked for passports or anything.

It really made me think...

 

[be positive]

That's what I always thought until this occasion. This guy supplies to the zoo so they are going into a food chain hence why he asked if the pony had had any drugs.
Just crazy that we have passports with information as to wether the horse is suitable or signed out of the food chain yet they don't seem to be checked :/

Then again why am I surprised, passports seem to be as much use as a chocolate teapot.

Chocolate teapots from the horse welfare or owners point of view, definitely.

Going to feed lions I suppose is less of a concern if the horse has had some drugs at some point in it's life there will be little residue left that is harmful, a good use of the animal really although many owners would not be happy with that being where the body ends up, mine have gone to an incinerator or been buried at home.

 

[Bigbenji]

Be Positive- Totally agree.
Mine was cremated as that's what I wanted. Was just surprised that someone's word rather than written document is excepted.
Maybe I'm just a Cynical old bat but people do tell porkies now and again

 

[Exploding Chestnuts]

The passport signs them out of the human food chain, I don't think that lions and tigers are mentioned.
Before passports [those were the days] the knackerman arrived by appointment and was shown the animal by the person who made the arrangement, so what's new? When I arranged the business, we agreed that I would be there to ensure the correct animal was selected, although he was the only one, but obviously that was the procedure.

 

[Bigbenji]

Sorry op if taken it off track talking about lions! No idea what drugs he was asking if the pony had and no idea which drugs would effect them.
Think the op was asking why no proof of ownership was asked for before having an animal put down and is this normal?

 

[be positive]

Sorry op if taken it off track talking about lions! No idea what drugs he was asking if the pony had and no idea which drugs would effect them.
Think the op was asking why no proof of ownership was asked for before having an animal put down and is this normal?

It has gone off track but once again people think that passports are proof of ownership, they are surprised to find that they are not, somehow when they were brought in people expected them to be of benefit to prove ownership but that has not proved to be the case, unfortunately.

 

[Exploding Chestnuts]

The horse was dead by the time the slaughterman arrived anyway.

 

[joeanne]

Might be wrong, but I thought it was the OWNER who was supposed to both inform the PIO that the horse had been destroyed/died and then send the passport back for annulment.

 

[MerrySherryRider]

That's what I always thought until this occasion. This guy supplies to the zoo so they are going into a food chain hence why he asked if the pony had had any drugs.
Just crazy that we have passports with information as to wether the horse is suitable or signed out of the food chain yet they don't seem to be checked :/

Then again why am I surprised, passports seem to be as much use as a chocolate teapot.

If he's selling the carcass to the zoo, I hope he doesn't charge for cremation.

 

[Orangehorse]

The food chain means the human food chain.

I had a pony PTS and it is true that no passport was asked for. Didn't think about it at the time, its true.
I also said, when arranging it, "He is full of bute" "Not too much I hope" he replied, but I said that it was what the vet had sanctioned.

 

[Laafet]

Might be wrong, but I thought it was the OWNER who was supposed to both inform the PIO that the horse had been destroyed/died and then send the passport back for annulment.

This is correct, I have never done it as I like to keep the passports of my old horses and I really wanted Murphy's special FEI one as a momento. With regards to the knackerman, we've never had to show a passport. The only time that I have heard of this happening was when a friend of mine had decided to put her horse down and was pursuing a loss of use claim, then even though the hunt dispatched the poor horse, the vet had to be there to identify him formally before the deed was done to satisfy the insurance company that the horse was put down.