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have a very nice person on part livery with a very greedy horse who is fed 2 hard feeds a day and ad-lib haylage she has started riding late at night 7.30ish so I dont give her horse tea with everyone else about 6pm I give it haylage and carrots and leave its tea ready but have noticecd feed is missing in the am horse has 1 large scoop mix same conditioning cubes and mollichop I think this is ample there is no one else at yard late on what would you do
 
Do you make the feeds for this horse, or does the livery help herself to a 'communal' feed bin?

If you make them, then maybe just point out to her that the evening feed is left by the door for her to give after she's ridden at 7.30pm, and that the feeds for the morning are already made up.

If, however, she has her own stock of feed but appears to be taking some of yours, then could you move her feed bins to another location in the yard so that she does not need to enter your feed room?
 
Is her horse not allowed tea? Is it not left there for her to feed after she has ridden? Or I am being totally stupid?
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Edited to say I AM thick, it says feed is missing not the tea!
 
i set a trap for a child food stealer on our yard, made a small pencil line on inside of the bin and placed scoops and spoon specifically before she arrived. Caught her when the scoop had been moved, feed below the line and only me and her there. Get as sneaky as them!
 
feed is always left ready by the door for her to give when she has ridden just feel a bit like she does not think horse is getting enough as she also gives it a trickle ball with nuts in just think it is strange feed has started going missing
 
I'd just talk to her, have you discussed the issue?

It could be as simple as her horse is hungry and she feels it needs more food, and if food is included, she may not know she's doing anything wrong, it may just be a lack of communication.

As for what the other horses have, every horse is different depending on the work it does etc. Is the horse fat ? If its not, then its getting the food it needs.

If you have already talked to her, and she's taking food, then you need to make yourself clearer.

Locking bins etc. isn't the solution. If its your stables, you need to be able to trust your liveries, and they need to trust each other. Yards are not good if their is an air of suspicion or mis trust, and 9 times out of 10, its usually down to lack of communication x
 
Have to be honest if she is riding at 7.30 at night surely she's not feeding her horse straight after exercise
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It would be better being fed first at 6pm then at least it would have had an hour or more before she rides it. If she rides for only 1/2 hour and then has to leave her horse for an hour before feeding to avoid colic it would be 9pm at night. Must admit I didn't fully understand whether she had fed the am feed or taken feed out of the feed room? Didn't you leave a feed for tea sorry not very clear and I'm like someone else a bit thick
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horse is fed twice a day am then 6ish pm she asked me not to give her pm feed as wants to ride 7.30ish not sure if she leaves her to cool off properly before feeding pm but its her horse so will do as she wishes horse is very fat and very greedy
 
cant really see this all other liveries (3) are at the yard from 3.45pm and ride and feed their horses leaving about 5.45pm cant see them coming back when horses are fed and happy but you never know also there is a note on board saying her horse has had carrots and haylage and I have left her tea ready
 
Then just ask her straight are you giving your horse more feed than I have left in her tea feed She may not realise she's not allowed to help herself to more
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Best to be open and ask then explain that her morning feed is disappearing. Or don't make the morning feed up till the morning
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very fat and very greedy - sounds like one of mine lol

Too many ifs and buts, you will only resolve by talking to her.
You'll soon know by her reaction and body language if its a simple case of misunderstanding or if she knows she's doing wrong. She may be thinking oh well, food is included in fees, so will feed him what he wants. U do get plain old fashioned thieves, never mind lockin stuff up, I'd boot her out if thats the case, I can't stand thieves !!!!!
 
cant you put all the other feeds locked away? i would be very angry with that what if any of the feeds had medication in them?
 
Doubt it - sounds like she is feeding again or putting nuts in the ball. I dont think that is horrible - I give my horses a ball to play with as well in the evenings.

Thing is, you say horse is very fat and greedy. She may think otherwise.

If feed is included in the bill, did you specify how much the horse would be fed? Does this change in summer/winter?

In winter I feed more (especially speedi-beet) and because of the volume I split it out over 3 meals a day. In summer they are only given token feeds for their supplements but they have 2 feeds a day like everyone else. It balances out in the long run.

She may in fact think you are being stingy with the feeds. Perhaps you should just ask her if everything is ok with the evening feeds now that there is a change of routine. But if feed is included in the livery price and you didnt specify, then I dont think it right to call her sneaky OR a thief.
 
I would say tread careful - every owner has a differance of opinion on what is a good sized feed and if the feed is in the cost of the livery who says what she is entitled to have? Have you discussed her horses diet with her? did you say one bag of feed per week per horse etc - it all sounds a bit to wishy washy to me.

As for feeding an hour later than horse has been excercised - unless it is having some serious schooling or interval training session i would disagree. If a horse is cool i feed, what you are suggesting is if the horse has had a 30 min plod (including a bit of trot and canter in this) no way would i wait for an hour after it had finished being ridden. But if the horse is as fat as i am imagining i cant see this being an issue.
 
they all have an info leaflet outlining what is included in livery price including hard feed upto 5kgs /day over 2 feeds feeds do differ summer to winter as we have very good grazing feeds have just been increased due to the change in weather and have discussed with each owner and to my face they are all happy she openly admitts her horse is both fat and greedy
 
Yeeharider - this is one of my bugbears with livery - it either needs to be DIY or Full - i hate part livery as all it ever seams to encourage is a never ending stream of accusations i.e. the yard never muck out properly in the week as they know i will do it on a weekend. The yard owner says - why does the livery use so much bedding on a weekend on a Monday i can never muck the stables out in time they are so full of straw etc....

I really dont think we should call horses greedy - they have no concept of being "greedy" they just think "I may starve tomorrow" they are just doing what nature intended and to be frank i would not be happy to have my horse reffered to as "greedy" by my yard manager - okay if the horse can have upto 5kg of feed in a day - what is it getting now? what was it getting in the summer? It could be that your livery is trying to get "value" for money and thinks you are scrimping?
 
All very odd, if she is feeding extra, she's obviously not happy with the tea that being made for her, yet doesn't say so ??

To avoid singling her out and creating an akward situation, you could put a notice up saying you are aware that food is being taken, remind all your liveries of allowances. If anyone is not happy to speak to you, but if no one does, then you will not tolerate food being taken without permission.

I find the whole thing a bit odd anyway, we all buy our own food at my yard as they all eat different stuff.
 
dont have an issue with the mucking out as she does her own and provides her own bedding (paper) for a reduced rate she refers to her own horse as greedy (not my words) horse was on 2kg/day hard feed in the summer and is now on 5kg/day doing less work due to weather/dark nights I also think £40/per week is very good value for money without taking exras
 
Gingerwitch - assisted works fine, all it needs is communication. My YO asks me weekly if everything is ok, and i am open and honest with her when I have issues, always discussed in a positive manner, and we've always found a solution or compromise.

There is clearly a communication problem in this case, on which side I dont know, but hell its a horses food, how difficult is that to resolve, it should take a 2 minute chat and it be dealt with x
 
I speak to this horses owner 3 times a week and regard her as a friend there are never any issues raised regarding her horses happiness or feeds however the 3 evenings I have to work I leave tea ready but there is always more feed gone in the am
 
I was not saying there was any issue with other parts of the service I was pointing out the problems of Part Livery.

So forgive me but for £40 a week - what is she getting? if she is doing her own mucking out and providing bedding - she is paying £40 quid for a stable, grazing, hard feed, hay and i assume you turn out and bring in. If that is the case she is paying quite a bit really - round here you would say £20 quid for stable and grazing - which is high - hay by the sounds of it is 2 bales a week @ £3.00 a bale = £26.00 - so that leaves 14 quid for hard feed and turn out/bring in.
 
Oh you consider her a friend ?

Title of thread: sneaky livery !!!
Her horse is fat and greedy...........

Sorry, but thats not how you speak of a friend, or I certainly wouldn't.
 
how do you work that out 2kgs in summer out 24/7 on good grass at a reduced rate for being out I am very fair most YO around here dont reduce livery in summer for horses out 24/7 think maybe I need to toughen up!!!!!!
 
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dont have an issue with the mucking out as she does her own and provides her own bedding (paper) for a reduced rate she refers to her own horse as greedy (not my words) horse was on 2kg/day hard feed in the summer and is now on 5kg/day doing less work due to weather/dark nights I also think £40/per week is very good value for money without taking exras

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Thats where I get the 2kg a day from for the summer, its what you stated........... ?????????
 
No i dont think you need to toughen up but forgive me my crystal ball is on the blink tonight so i had no idea that you "reduced your rates for doing nothing in the summer" - apologies for this.

I really hope you are not as rude as you appear to be on this forum about your customers - saying people are sneaky and stealing food is a little bit harsh when you do not even know what is going on and if your communication skills are as good as they are on here i am not surprised that things are not working.
 
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