Snobbery over Ready Made Horses

EllieBeast

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exactly GH - you ENJOY your riding. there is no point in struggling with a youngster if you fell that you wouldent get pleasure from it! riding is far too expensive a hobby not to enjoy it!
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I think TGM hit the nail on the head by saying that people buy horses for different reasons. Il hold my hands up right now and say that i dont see much point in buying a ready made horse, id much rather do it myself - but thats my opinion.

Id never ever buy a horse thats had it all done already. Next year il be buying a yearling to handle/break/train and compete to a high level myself. I wouldnt want someone else doing it for me, as id feel like id not achieved anything. I dont see the point in competing on a horse that cost £50k+++ thats been schooled by someone else.

it really is a personal view tho and its how i like to do things - i couldve easily sent Bloss away to be reschooled, but the sense of achievement i get when i ride her is amazing.........
 

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as i said, horses are for enjoyment. i have enjoyed having Ellie as a challenge, she has been V hard work even though she was already broken in etc. and, like P_G the satisfaction when i ride her is amazing. but each to their own, horses for courses as they say!
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I didnt want all the problems with a young horse but also didnt want a ready made one when I went shopping 18 months ago.

The problem is that doing dressage a ready made or older horse is probably going to have points and I didnt want to take on a horse that someone else had started. I ended up going for an ex showing horse so it was grown up and sensible (having been competed as a foal at foot) but had no dressage training.

I still get the 'doing it myself' feel on a more ready made - perfect.
 

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I don't think this is just the situation with horses......the British people do seem to have huge problems containing their envy/jealousy etc! Always whinging about people who have bigger and "better" cars, large houses, more money; the list goes on and on and on! Sad muppets
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I agree, if I had the means to buy a ready made horse for the disciplines I wanted to do, I would have..and broken less bones in the process. Sadly I have never been in that situation.


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Same here, the sort of horse id like will cost me about £6k, i dont have £60 let alone £6k! And people dont loan wvtb those sorts either, so ive had to get a youngster thats cheaper, and with the help of 'The Watcher' and friends, bring it on and make it nice myself.
If i had the money, i would most definatly have brought a ready made one!
 

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When I was looking for a horse I had a very specific criteria...

It had to be a Gelding
Aged 8-10yrs
He had to be fun
He had to Hack alone
He had to be keen but safe
and as a bonus he had to have done a bit of everything... not definate as I had no plans to compete...

I had to have the above criteria as I hadn't ridden for nearly 8 yrs ... I found myself a gorgeous TB called Jaguar who I love to death and is my perfect man!!!


I would have been stupid to buy a youngster - even though I feel I could cope.. I just couldn't give it the education it needed.. e.g schooling!!

I am amazed at peoples attitudes to horses that 'can do it' but I think half of the stigma is due to jealousy!!
 

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Ah yes i would have brought a ready made one if i could of but i didnt have the funds, Blue does have some issues but with time were overcoming them, i just hope it continues and we end up perfect!
Plus i have to admit it has been a challenge and been quite fun at times, plus we have a bond that would be hard to get with another horse... so im happy x
 

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There are quite a few underlying issues here that I could talk about all day long.
The way I view things is that you can either ride or you cant, regardless of age experience etc. From the horses ive sold lately I have seen young girls of 14-16 that ride better than most adults I know.
If someone wants to buy a youngster with little relative experience then I see no problem with that, there is only one way to learn. If someone wants to buy themselves a £60k wonder machine then the same.
However much the horse costs there are always going to be a certain amount f~cked up subsequently, however bad or good the rider is. I know people who have ridden for years and years longer than I have that I wouldnt let in the stable with my youngsters, let alone ride them.
There is no substitute for natural talent and if someone wants to buy a horse, at either end of the scale, to show this then I applaud them.
There are as many bad riders with 'ready made' horses as there are with uneducated youngsters, it works both ways.
 

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Did not realise that there was any snobbery attached to buying ready made horses
The only reason I buy youngsters is that it is the only way I can afford the type of horse I want, not for any other reason. However, now that I am getting older and more decrepit
I may have to change tack
 

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No matter whats said, there will always be snobbery in the horse world! Its a terribly elitist sport in some disiplines (not all, some are actually rather friendly!).

I dont think you can ever escape snobbiness if you own a horse!
 

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Green eyed monster rather than snobbery in my case!

I spend my time getting dumped by baby horses trying to make them into something fantastic - nothing I would like better than a blank cheque to go and spend on something that I can just climb on and go!!

Problem is, it is more than a couple of grand difference between what I buy and what I hope to produce!!
 

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I think the "ready made horse" can be a lot of things - I certainly wouldnt buy a Grade A to jump at 1m level for example, and I dont think horses ever stop learning, so therefore a ready made horse doesnt exist

Schoolmasters, real TRUE ones are the best horses to improve oneself with - they are not push button, they suffer no fools and you are made to push your boundaries to get the most that you can out of them

I have always had youngsters or green horses and enjoyed them immensely, but I also adore riding schoolmasters as it creates a different overall rider in me
 

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I'll freely admit i'm guilty of it although I don't think its so much snobbery as a bit of jelously and perhaps frustration.

I left my youngster to be schooled by a friend while I was away presuming that because she was 'recognised' as a far better rider than myself (as in she competes at a high level) that she'd handle him just fine. Governor is a straigtforward enough ride but can be a bit unresponsive and cheeky with new riders (normally overcome by the second or third ride) and although he's not proven himself to be a world beater just yet he can work very nicely. However it seems she really had an issue with him and in the end the timetable for schooling was cut short and he was handed back over to my YO. If i'm honest and although I don't like to jump to conclusions I think he's simply not what she's used to partly because he's not 'push-button' or 'ready-made' and I should have realised that before I asked her to take on the ride. I suppose you make an assumption that all successful riders have been exposed to other horses besides finely tuned competition horses.

Governor is my pride and joy - quite literally - and I wouldn't change what we've achieved and how we've done it for the world but i'll admit sometimes it would be nice to have a horse who doesn't require as much, well, time in regards to getting where we're headed and I think for many people that can spark off a little jelousy. I can also imagine someone who has worked their way tirelessly up the levels with a 'self made horse' only to be surpassed by someone who bought their mount for mega bucks six months ago may also be left feeling a little dejected.
 

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If buying for my daughter I would rather buy a pony (and pay a realistic price for it) that has done a bit and is going to do the job she wants, which is everything Pony Club. She doesn't have the ability to school a youngster on sufficioently, she needs something that she can get on and have fun with straightaway, something that gives her confidence.
I was incredibly lucky to have found Finn last year. He's taken her hunting, cross country jumping, show jumping, showing, been in the Pony Club Dressage Team and today was festooned with ribbons, did in-hand classes, handy pony, cross country, show jumping and gymkhana.
I don't have a problem with people buying made horses at all, good luck to them and lucky them for being able to afford it, I'm far too idle to be jealous, and anyway, regardless of what the horse knows, the rider still has to know which buttons to push to get the required result.
For myself, I only want a horse to hack about on and do a bit of endurance perhaps, young or old it doesn't matter, if the horse "feels" right when I try it I will buy it.
 

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Totally agree with you. I currently have a horse that was v green when I bought it. I love him to bits and wouldn't change him, but I wouldn't do it again.

Next time I'm going to, finances permitting, get myself something that's been there and done it. I want something that's schooled, has done a bit of everything, that I can essentially get straight on and do things with.

I do think with ready made horses that people tend to forget they often need to learn how to ride them after buying! I've seen a few people buy fab horses then not have any lessons, so great horse goes down hill.
 

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Schoolmasters, real TRUE ones are the best horses to improve oneself with - they are not push button, they suffer no fools and you are made to push your boundaries to get the most that you can out of them


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Absolutely agree with this Weezy!

'Good horses make good riders' is another quote which I've heard and also agree with.

It is satisfying to bring on youngsters, but its also very time consuming and particularly in Young Rider classes when the clock is ticking, there simply isnt time to bring on a youngster to jump those classes.

We have a good 'ready made horse' and also a youngster so do a bit of both! They are both satisfying in different ways, but I prefer the 'ready made' type!


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There is no substitute for natural talent ....

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Oh b*gger.. (slinks off to cry in corner) lol <img src="http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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Is there room in your corner for another? No natural talent here, just buckets of hard work over years to overcome lack of balance and natural ability, and still learning!
 
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