sny thoughts re lame pony?

Christmas_Kate

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For those that don't know the story, I'll briefly explain.

Ponio came to us overweight, it's been a real battle to get it of (not helped by the fact i've not had a fattie before so I've been learning alot!). weighed 265 when we got him 6 months ago, and now 255. I've been exercising him via lungeing, long reining and he's hacked out regularly.
He's barefoot, as IMO shetlands should be. He has fabulous feet.

on saturday something happened up the field, I'm not 100% sure what, but 'his' sheep escaped and the cows got let into the paddock (where his sectioned off bit is). When I found him he was upset, sweating, stressing over his sheep not being near him (he loves them to bits
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Took him out and tacked him up as a local girl rides him for us. She got on, started off, and he stumbled badly, and started hopping.

No heat, no swelling, nothing.

Next day took him from the field and walked him down the road. all fine, then suddenly on the hard ground he went badly lame again. Turned him back out, and went back to check him, no lameness but standing aquardly. Farrier said it might be a touch of lami and to get him stabled. Vet suggested the same, box rest for a couple of days and see how it goes. At this point his pulses were fine, and still no heat or swelling.

Brought him in, and stabled him for 48 hours. Pony was going stir crazy, being in on the yard alone. After 48 hours he was even lamer, stiff as anything, but no sign of a cause. He'd box walked and was standing on concrete. Phoned vet last night and he said try and keep him mobile and see what happens.
So last night I sectioned off a bare patch of field and turned him out. Brought him in at 7am... and he's no longer lame!

I'm waiting for the vet to phone me back atm, but would appreciate any thoughts on this. It seems so long as he's moving on 'soft' ground he's almost okay, as soon as I box him it deteriorates. Also deteriorates when we get onto tarmac.

I'm planning on turning him out at night only, as soon as vet gives me the okay.

has anyone experienced this before... lameness with no sign of the cause? Vet doesnt think it's an abcess, but it's been suggested by a friend that it may be a pulled muscle (vet hasnt got this far yet, we were just seeing how boxing him went), and YO thinks his feet have been trimmed too far at the back. But his feet have always been the same, and not had lameness before, only a big napping problem (which i'm wondering if it's linked).

sorry to blab on, but i've not had anything like this before and am mystified.
 

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Could he have pulled something in his shoulder from when he was distressed in the field? It could produce the sort of lameness pattern you're describing without noticeable heat or swelling, especially if he's well upholstered!

Hope the little guy is soon OK
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Totally off topic but have you had him tested for EMS (Equine Metabolic Syndrome).

Its just that his weight hasn't dropped much over the six months even though you seem to be doing lots with him.

One of my little ones is not loosing weight and the vet has suggested we have him tested as no matter what we do he just doesn't loose weight. He is also a typical case - overweight as a youngster (before we got him), 'pot bellied' but not cresty.

Back to your question - could he have been foot sore? Is he had been running around when his sheep were not there he may have stood on a stone or something. I wouldn't rule out lami though as stress can bring it on.
 

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Interestingly I've never heard of that. We've had no need for over concern as he's lost weight very very steadily, and vet said that it's notoriously difficult to get weight off shetlands.

he's not sensitive anywhere in his hoof or leg, though farrier is coming back out later. He seems fine walking, then al of a sudden he'll 'stumle' and go lame again.
 

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Google it - you will find lots of interesting information.

Shetlands are hard to get weight off but my little fat fella has lost nearly the same as yours in only about 2 months and the vet still thinks he is an EMS case. (He is VERY overweight - still has 50kgs to go!
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Out of interest how high is yours and how much does it weigh? I've had conflicting thoughts, some say he's not THAT fat, others saying he's obese?
 

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Sounds foot to me. And my old favourite is gravel.

Get the farrier to have another good old poke around.
 

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He stands 31" and weighed in at 205kg and is now down to 196kg. The vet wants to aim for 160kg to start with but thinks 150kg will be more appropriate. He isn't what you would class as a chunky shetland as he is actually small boned.

I'm trying not to let the weigh tape rule me - Vet agrees that we should really judge it by eye too. Frodo has a huge apple bum and a big gutter running down his back so the aim is to visiably reduce these. On a condition scoring the vet put him between 8 &9 (9 being the highest at Obese and 8 being very fat).

Have you a picture of the little fella?
 

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not the best angle to tell but I wouldn't say he is obese.

I can't see any sign of a 'gutter' down his back like Frodo has.

Is he a standard? He looks a nice little pony. How on earth do you keep him in with only 2 strands of tape?? My lot would crawl through it! We have to have 3 strands at least!
 

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He's standard yes.

He's been much fatter than that and never had lami.

Regarding the two strands, firstly I have the energiser turned right up and secondly he's a complete wimp.
 

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Katy - if ever you want to re-home that little boy, send him to me - he's gorgeous!!! Seriously - do hope you find what it is making him lame - would have suspected lami myself - standing awkwardly, happy on soft ground with frogs supported, unhappy on hard ground, cresty with suspected EMS. But other aspects just don't seem to fit. When he stands awkwardly does he sort of rockhis weight back and point his front toes? Hope it turns out to be just one of those things. Let us know xxx
 

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he sort of stands like he's doing a wee, front legs in front, back legs behind. Looks very odd. But he hasnt done that today at all. Took him out for a wandr tonight and he's sound again, and that was on the road.
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Don't worry too much, this happened to our shetland when the other 2 ponies went out for a hack and left him alone, he got really stressed and was running around like crazy! He was very stiff the next day, naturally I thought it was lami too.Vet arrived and hoof tested him but was fine. It took two weeks for him to move normally, so we think it was just a pulled muscle. Now he's just his normal pain in ass!
 
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