so driving back from the yard the other night.....

Ginge Crosby

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Firstly let me set the scene -
About 8.30pm, had been a hot sunny day; the sun was bright and low in the sky, casting shadows across the road. I rounded a corner onto a straight stretch of road, to (eventually) witness a pair of teenage riders quietly hacking along towards me, having just rounded the bend at the other end of the road. I say eventually, as, like I said, the sun was low and due to the fact that they were wearing no hi viz at all, dressed in dark colours, and both horses were bay, they blended into the shadows. I slowed down significantly, to receive not even a nod of the head or smile. Fine, I thought, maybe its an off day for them.

Then, another vehicle rounded the corner behind them, doing an approximate 40mph (on the national speed limit road we were on), didn't see the horses until the last second and had to brake hard and move onto my side of the road to avoid hitting the rear horse. At which point, the two young riders turned in their saddles to hurl some pretty blue abuse at the clearly shaken driver of the other car.

Now, I may be completely disillusioned here, but surely the two girls were putting themselves at risk by riding in these conditions without making themselves visible to other road users?? I wouldn't get in my car and go for a drive at night without my headlights on. I'm no member of the health and safety police, and I'm not saying they have to go out decked like a Christmas tree, but even a minimal tabard or set of leg wraps would have made them more visible and less likely to get hit by a car. In this situation, I felt that the other car was driving at a reasonable speed considering the light conditions, and it was very unfortunate that the horses were in the shadows when he rounded the corner. But I don't think he had a hope of spotting them, and was very lucky to avoid hitting them. Fair enough, the girls may have been under the impression that 'it's such a lovely sunny evening, we must be easy enough to see'. But unfortunately it doesn't work like that.

My friend recently got hit by a car out hacking on a different road; again, she was not wearing hi viz and was on her own. Its fair to say her mother gave her a right b*llocking once the shock had sunk in. Thankfully the horse only had minor injuries, but the driver did not stop and there were no witnesses. It was very shocking to all of us at the yard, and made us all alot more careful when out on the roads and lanes.

Don't give drivers the excuse of 'I didn't see you'. MAKE yourself visible, not just for the sake of your horse, but the injuries that could be caused to another road users simply because 'it's not cool to wear hi-viz'. Put it on and forget about it; its much cooler to wear it and avoid an accident, than to lose your horse, yours or someone else's life.
 
I'm completely with you on this one!

The youngsters around here seem to have a hi viz phobia. So do many of their parents. It astonishes me that they "have to" wear a body protector but don't bother with hi viz. It's the other way round in my book........

I NEVER ride without a hi viz tabbard or coat on. I also have a breast strap that my horse wears if it is either dodgy weather or I'm not sure I'm visible enough!! Often he wears one colour whilst I wear another to make sure we show up regardless of the season.......
 
Once upon a time I actually appeared on Channel Four's Morning Line racing programme to air my views on Riding and Road Safety - they did features like this then. There are many racehorses killed and injured on the roads every year so it's a topical subject.

The main problem is that the horse has an ANCIENT RIGHT to the road - the same as pedestrians - that's why neither pay taxes to use them. Folk who own horses have always regarded these rights as sacred and have been very slow to move with the times.

Cars are very comfortable these days and accelerate very quickly but still have standard humans in charge of them wh rarely look further than the bumper in front or the rough area one might be expected - therefore you CANNOT rely on the rights of the matter keeping horse and rider safe. You must be Pro-Active as the modern saying goes.

Your horse is relatively safe at home or in the field - when you take him out - HE'S YOUR RESPONSIBLITY and riding in the half dark or without due care and attention at other times is the heights of stupidity. Flourescent jackets and boots are good but I feel they can lull one into a false sense of security - the mark one eyeball is your best safety device.

Personally I hate the BHS advice of deliberately riding two abreast on the road - it's perfectly legal - but it will probably end up with the outside horse getting a quite legal broken leg when some idiot pulls in too close while aborting an overtake manoevre.

All riders should be aware of what is behind them at all times - and be prepared to get the hell out to trouble before it occurs.


Oh and the very next day after my T.V. outing - I met two horses in the middle of my home lane just around a blind bend - ridden by two women from my yard who both told me to mind my own ***** business when I pointed out the error of their ways. Luckily for them I rarely exceed 20mph in the lanes.
 
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I can understand why teenagers don't like to ride in hi viz, I'm in my 20s and I still feel like a twit in tabards, especially the ones they sell in tack shops with daft things written on them. However, my horses do not feel the same about hi viz and I am more than happy to drape them in fluo exercise sheets, leg wraps and neck strap etc. It's their safety I am worried about above all.

In winter I have a fluo hoodie from a running shop that I wear, but in summer it's too hot, I want a t-shirt version, but haven't found one I like yet. There are so many alternatives for hi viz - norma horsey stuff for horse or rider, runners stuff which tends to be plainer, not to mention the jazzy kids horsey hi viz hoodies they make these days etc.

To be honest, I didn't really appreciate the need for it on a summer's evening until I started driving. The day my bf nearly took out a cyclist under those conditions was really an eye opener...
 
The solution to one teenagers allergy to hiviz is that Dorey and I go out in bridle, tabard and leg bands and we always go behind when out with the teenagers.

For a start they love Dorey and it might start rubbing off on them. Secondly as the responsible adult I'm making sure we're both seen, rather than neither of us!
 
Think we need to start seeing a decent compaign in bbc, itv and ch4 they do bikes, cyclists horses and dog walkers next please. Spesh with all these townies now living in the country parading their Labradoodle on a dark summers evening. We have BP street lights here and you can tell who isn't night time Walkies savvy.
 
i have to say as well the pink hi viz stuff should not be sold, i was driving through a nearby village the other day and its not all that common to see people riding through there, it was broad daylight but as i was approaching from quite a distance away i could IMMEDIATELY see the two riders at the front in bright yellow, and only saw the 3rd rider, who was infact closest to me as i got nearer.

i really wish the pink wouldnt be sold, its just not visible enough
 
i would just like to say, that when i ride my loan pony out hacking i ALWAYS wear hi-viz - even if its only a tabard and hat band and fluorescent whip - i feel much safer that way too :)
some girls at my riding centre have laughed at me, because i dont bother to take my hat band off when i ride with them (i just dont see the point)!

i just wanted to say that its a shame that other teens (like me) dont wear hi-vis and theres clearly more benefots to wearing it than not! i even make the people that walk round with me wear it too (they love me for it :D)
 
sorry never understand the arguements against hi viz - there are none "be seen warn and allow drivers to act" . my daughter as it driven in to her hat hi viz gloves and god love her she does . and always a cheery thank you to - bashed in to me 32 yrs ago and such good advice xxx
 
I agree, we do not get many people who still ride on the roads over here as it is not safe, but if you are a pedestrian,cyclist or horse rider you need to make your self visible. I have nearly run over pedestrians walking on the road, crossing the road at dusk, or in the dark, wearing dark clothes. They are hard to see until you are right on top of them. They do not realise how hard they are to see.
 
this is nothing compared to what i saw the other day....same time of night, but i saw two girls on their horses, one with no hat on, on the phone, one smoking a cigarette and no hi viz. They were walking in the centre of a 60mph limit road, going over both sides of the road, bearing in mind this road is used pretty regularly, and often has quite a lot of cars (atleast 5 or 6 a minute) going down it at/over the speed limit...i just saw them as i came around a blind corner, luckily, only at 40, and had to lock on the breaks and stop in the road. just managed to stop in time not to go head first into the one on the phone on my side of the road (the wrong side as they were coming towards me) and then they proceeded to shout and swear at me for going too fast and not stopping in time...i was fuming and i told them that they should ride on the correct side of the road and wear hi viz or next time they wont be so lucky...obviously that was reciprocated with more abuse. i just think they are asking to get hit!
 
A large percentage of horse related road accidents occur when the sun is bright and low and dazzles motorists. My advice is to avoid riding out on the roads in these conditions. Also if your wear a long sleeved Hi-Viz jacket motorists will be able to see your hand signals a lot easier.
 
everyones mentioned the lack of hi vis but those girls didnt thank the OP for slowing down yet are so quick to abuse drivers who cant see them!!! to be honest if they cant be bothered to thank people for slowing down they shouldnt be on the road!!! it makes me very cross and next time someone does it to me i will be turning around!!! i always slow down as i am a rider and understand the problems cars can cause however i think many drivers do not so a thank you is vital to get them to slow down for the next horse!!! Grrr!!
 
thank god, i thought i'd over reacted when i originally posted this, but i'm glad it's not just me that thought the situation was more than a little daft!

i know it's not always possible to take your hands off the reins to thank a rider, eg you might know your horse is about to spook at something lurking in the hedge or you're on a youngster, but when i hack out i always make it a point to smile and shout 'thankyou' as the car passes if i can't hold a hand up.

I will admit, as a teenager i'd hack out at all hours with no hi viz, on much busier roads than where i live now. but, as someone else said, since i started driving (about 7 years ago) i've been alot more conscious about how visible i am as a rider.

I remember the BHS running a road safety campaign with the THINK! people; I saw the advert for in on tv a few years ago - only problem was, it was at about 3am after finishing work in a bar. I'm not sure if you asked any non-horsey people about it they would have the same level of recollection of it as for, say, the THINK! motorbike campaign (where the car pulls out of a T junction not seeing the motorcyclist, who can't brake in time to stop and there is a collision) simply as it didnt receive as much air time as other THINK! campaigns did.

ps this is the link for it for youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TguLKMJjso
 
Being a teenager and thinking hi viz is uncool is not an excuse.

I've been wearing hi viz since as long as I can remember. I'm now 18 and go out covered in the stuff.

I think wearing hi viz would cover up some of the awful things you see people wearing out hacking. Have seen people out riding on the roads in bikins etc (yuck!) but I guess their bright orange spray tans made up for the lack of hi viz :p

I also cannot stand lack of manner on the road :(
 
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Id be interested to know wherabouts you were driving and wether they were the same girls me and OH encountered in my post on the other road thread.
 
Id be interested to know wherabouts you were driving and wether they were the same girls me and OH encountered in my post on the other road thread.

on a B road on the outskirts of Aberystwyth - I don't know much of the horsey scene on this side of town as we've recently moved, so i didnt recognise them and couldn't even say which yard they were headed to/from. (i know my profile location says hereford but i havent got round to changing it yet... might toddle off to do it now!)
 
Riders like the ones OP mentions really wind me up and are all to common.

I've never seen the TV ad until just now and to be quite frank I don't think it is hard hitting enough. When you compare it to the likes of the motorbike ad and the ones with kids getting hit etc... the general public need to be reminded of a few relatively basic facts about horses like a) they have as much right to be on the road as cars, b) Even the most capable of riders can struggle with control due to matters outside their control - things scaring the horse etc, c) horses are a living being and have minds of their own. Also People just don't understand a) how heavy a horse is b) the damage it can do to their car if they hit it and c) what damage it could do to them if it comes through the windscreen and lands on them. If these facts were weaved into the script / scenario as well as safety messages for riders like 'always wear high vis' 'pull off the road to let cars pass at any oportunity' etc etc they might have more success.

A horse at my yard was hit by a car - not the car drivers fault at all - horse got loose and ran into road but still the effect it had on the car driver and her very young front seat passenger were astounding. they were both really shaken. Luckily all were unhurt. Car was a bit dented though!
 
I love my 'POLITE' tabard.

I am quite obviously not 'the law' whilst riding the smallish highland- the arab from behind might fool some though.Especially if you wear black breeches, long black boots and a long sleeved black top underneath it:cool:

I've had good response from it though- people really do slow down and give you a wide berth....including the transit van full of young blokes who overtook, waved and gave me the thumbs up:D
 
I can understand why teenagers don't like to ride in hi viz, I'm in my 20s and I still feel like a twit in tabards, especially the ones they sell in tack shops with daft things written on them. However, my horses do not feel the same about hi viz and I am more than happy to drape them in fluo exercise sheets, leg wraps and neck strap etc. It's their safety I am worried about above all.

In winter I have a fluo hoodie from a running shop that I wear, but in summer it's too hot, I want a t-shirt version, but haven't found one I like yet. There are so many alternatives for hi viz - norma horsey stuff for horse or rider, runners stuff which tends to be plainer, not to mention the jazzy kids horsey hi viz hoodies they make these days etc.

To be honest, I didn't really appreciate the need for it on a summer's evening until I started driving. The day my bf nearly took out a cyclist under those conditions was really an eye opener...

Have a look on the Arco website. They do workwear but I have bought 2 hi-viz polo shirts for the summer.
I also have the womens fit hi viz coat. It's really nice to wear and has been waterproof so far. I look like a walking advert because it's got the company name all over the back of it and I've had the odd look on the yard but no comments. I don't only wear it for hacking - it has become my 'yard' coat because it was free and I don't mind it getting mucky
 
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It's not just teenagers - most people at my yard are 30+ (and a couple of teenagers) and none wear hi-viz apart from me. I automatically put it on if I know I'll be on the roads, including when I ride out with others. No-one has ever commented, but no-one else has started wearing one either!

Everyone I know who rides will always thank a car for slowing down - as others have said, it's important to show courtesy. It does anger me when I see riders who don't say "thank you" as it gives such a bad impression of horse riders.
 
I always where hi-viz on the roads and was quite shocked recently when i went with my friend ( who is learning to ride ) to a local RS for a hack and even the girl who was taking out the ride didn't have Hi-Viz on , hardly a good example to set? I had mine on and got stuck at the back of the ride?? I have access to a number of surrounding fields where I live and I even wear it round the fields as we are not even 1/2 a mile off the end of the runway of a large Naval Air station , and I swear that the pilots fly wide to avoid going low over us ( not that my horse is bothered - he's well used to them wanging in overhead when we are in the school!)
 
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