So my little charity horse is fat!

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and i was suitably chastised by the rep who came out to see her yesterday - she's not obese or problematic now (and most people tell me she's fine for going into winter) but i need to get weight off before next Spring (which to be fair i dont diagree with). Now comes the dilemma - how to do it.

She's a 14.3 coloured cob type who lives out all year with my IDx (she pretty much never rugged and has no hard feed) - she's 6 and currently only a companion (though she has been mouthed and sat on this year and took to it very well). Rep encouraged me to keep her on sparse grazing and give only token hay over winter - this is fine but my IDx cant be kept quite that mean and as we are on clay some of the grazing over winter is dictated by how much they poach. I also have biggish paddocks (I had 3 horses until recently and the mare i lost was an older eating machine who tended to even things out) so sparse grazing is never starvation paddock sparse!

I am committed to getting her leaner so plan to:

- keep them on the sparsest field for the next month or so (no hay in the field but will bring them in most days for an hour or two to ride my other mare and she can also then get some hay). Little cob will get small amount double hay netted when she comes in;
- move onto winter field for winter - this is circa 2.5 acres of okish grazing (not sparse but not lush and has the odd dock etc). I can strip graze this and perhaps, once strip has been grazed, let my riding mare onto the better bits and leave cob on sparse OR i will have (by that time), a small section of hard standing that i can put her on with a double netted bag either for parts of the day or overnight
- start lunging her (would two/three times a week of walk trot lunging make a difference?)

In addition I can also look to get her backed - i've considered this a few times and have a girl 2 mins up the road that can do this (has a school so fact we are going into winter makes no odds). This will exercise her 4/5 times a week - not hard but again it all helps!

I really dont want to keep them too mean - particularly with my rding mare in mind.

Any suggestions, useful tips very much appreciated!
 
What about a muzzle?

I really dont like the idea of it - suppose its just a thing i need to get over if it helps her get trimmer. Do they not over comspensate when its off - this is one of the reasons im not considering stabling overnight or during the day (that and my riding mare much prefers to be out).
 
I would start the work it will make a difference. Wouldn't do to much lunging esp if over weight but long reining is fab if u can do it
 
Exercise is what the coloured needs. She's not getting anything other than grazing so there's not much you can cut down on. There's no point having a companion who can actually be the companion of the horse needing companionship. At 6, I'd recommend cracking on with backing.
 
Mine is also from a charity and this I've had him since March, I didn't quite get on top of his weight as quickly as I should have.

Since August he's been strip grazed and walked out in hand (he's not allowed to be lunged/long reined/ridden or driven) I've been weigh taping him regularly and he will be out all winter with NO rug. Vet said he is currently ok and he should drop weight over winter but if nec clip him underneath so he feels the cold more.

Come spring I will much more on the ball! He also just has a balancer ATM (top spec lite) nothing else and he will only get hay when nec
 
I would start the work it will make a difference. Wouldn't do to much lunging esp if over weight but long reining is fab if u can do it

My preference is to work her - she's not obese and could easily do 5 minutes lunging on each rein now and build it up to 10 minutes (i wouldnt do much more each session) - once she's used to it i can switch to free lunging so she uses up the whole school. I have long reined her round the block a few times too - she tends to sweat a lot as shes not keen on being separated so would def use up some energy. I also used to in hand walk my other mare a lot so could also do this with her. Id be happier doing this of an evening as its dark (id have lights and usual high viz)
 
Exercise is what the coloured needs. She's not getting anything other than grazing so there's not much you can cut down on. There's no point having a companion who can actually be the companion of the horse needing companionship. At 6, I'd recommend cracking on with backing.

Agree re backing - it deals with two things, backing her to givie her a job and working her.
 
Mine is also from a charity and this I've had him since March, I didn't quite get on top of his weight as quickly as I should have.

Since August he's been strip grazed and walked out in hand (he's not allowed to be lunged/long reined/ridden or driven) I've been weigh taping him regularly and he will be out all winter with NO rug. Vet said he is currently ok and he should drop weight over winter but if nec clip him underneath so he feels the cold more.

Come spring I will much more on the ball! He also just has a balancer ATM (top spec lite) nothing else and he will only get hay when nec

My vet isnt quite as critical of her weight but i just need to be vigilant as she cant go into spring off this weight. A limited bib/belly clip would help too i guess (and i get her into work might be useful anyway as she loves the mud). I got hard re her rug last winter - she was very happy without.
 
I would muzzle during the day and remove overnight. If you have grass, IMO there is no need to feed hay but if your bigger horse requires hay, then bring him / her in for it or put it out in the field during the day while the cob is muzzled and or separate them for some of the time to feed hay to the bigger one.

My big lad is pone to weight gain on very little pasture, and he is still muzzled during the daytime as, with temps in the mid-teens, the grass is still growing! When the temp drops and the grass stops growing so much he will have it off completely but it will go back on at the first sign of spring.

Increasing workload will help - even if you can manage ride and lead with our bigger horse?
 
got in touch with girl to pick up the backing. Ive long reined her myself on the road and she's good for me (better than she is for the girl up the road but that's only a familiarity thing) - we do a little loop which keeps her thinking forward (she is very active when long reined which is positive). I could lead but whilst my riding mare is v good and sensible she's only 6 too so a bit wary in case of a spook reaction. Maybve if i get little one long reined a bit i can build up to leading.
 
I think trying to get her to lose weight now is a bit harsh to be honest Mine are as fat as they ever are now as they live a very natural life get fat in summer and autumn lose it all in winter and early spring so start the year quite slim in fact quite thin by end of March. I feed all year round and they are out 24/7 on short grass. I only give hay when the poo rate drops too low for mine which is healthy between 4 and 8 in 24 hours more they get fat less they are beginning to get a bit hard and pellet like. I do keep them on the same field year round which helps as it is never rested so never gets long they just eat what grows. A track system if possible is best then the riding horse can go in the middle while the fat one stays on the track see paddock paradise for ideas it keeps them moving as the water is put at one end of the track and Hay at the furthest point. Your problem with that may be the clay soil turning into a quagmire
 
I must say I think these Reps do go OTT and call alot of horses fat! Have you done a body score on her?

My friend was told by Dodson and Horrel that her coloured was too fat as he is a 15.3 and weight a hell of a lot, she didnt take into condiseration that perhaps majority of the weight is actually muscle and hes built like a brick s*it house, and told her to strip him of his weight!!! We couldnt beleive our ears! Next news another feed rep comes up to the yard and tells her that she needs more weight on it!

! contridicting the other.

have a look at this for further reading.

http://www.bluecross.org.uk/80161-80956/How-to-check-the-weight-of-your-horse.html
 
I dont necessarily disgaree with windandrain and carrots&mints - its a bit harsh to put her on a get thin regime pre winter (she naturally dropped weight last winter) and i dont think she's fat - certainly not compared to many i see. She's solid but does have a slight apple bum (but that's starting to drop away already), no cresty neck or wobbly fatty shoulders etc - i would score her a 3.5. On my weigh tape she's 450 - she's a typical cob and at 14.3 on the BC guide you sent that isnt overweight. Rep wants 10 kilos off a month to get into spring, which means getting her down to about 380kilos - i think they want to see her lean. I wont do anything drastic and keepig a starvation paddock on winter clay wont work but i will make some sensible changes and see how we get on. I do think exercise is the way to go as she currently does ****** all and it might be the kick i need to get her backed and ready to go next year.
 
I must say I think these Reps do go OTT and call alot of horses fat! Have you done a body score on her?

I would agree with this a little bit.

I also have a rescue pony on loan. Last time she was checked by the charity (just over a year ago!) they said she was fat. However, I had weigh taped her the day she arrived and regularly since, so could tell the inspector that the pony was actually 20kg lighter than she was when she arrived from the rescue centre and as we were now going into winter, rather than going into summer as it was when she first arrived, I thought we were doing ok.
 
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