So very wrong on so many levels...

It's bad enough little girls get dollies foisted on them anyway (here you are little girl, remember now that when you grow up you HAVE to be a mummy). My favourite toys growing up were a plastic sword and my Barbie horses (I built them a stable out of books, made tack for them and we went on hacks round my bedroom). But now this?! Wrong!

**Goes to burn bra in protest at gender stereotyping**:p
 
I don't see the problem. There are plenty of dolls who can be bottle fed and then 'urinate', so why not a mock breast feeding doll? It has nothing to do with growing up too fast in my opinion, just a more realistic baby doll. Having said that little boys should be welcome to give it a go as well and little girls should get different toys if they don't fancy dolls.
 
Booboos said:
I don't see the problem. There are plenty of dolls who can be bottle fed and then 'urinate', so why not a mock breast feeding doll? It has nothing to do with growing up too fast in my opinion, just a more realistic baby doll. Having said that little boys should be welcome to give it a go as well and little girls should get different toys if they don't fancy dolls.
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No BooBoos. There is playing dollies and dress up and there is encouraging children to be far more aware of certain things than really is neccessary. Even the dollies that urinate in my mind are WRONG!

Children should be allowed time to grow and develop. By giving them all the facts at such young ages when they can't process the CONCEQUENCES of those facts is just asking for trouble.

In centurarys past adults figured out a way and found out in their own good time with out the constant pressure to act more and more like a grown up. Let them grow some boobs before they start simulating another infant suckling from them!
 
Yuk. Wants banning. Kids should be kids for as long as possible. These things should happen naturally as children grow up, and let them ask the questions when they are ready to know.
What would happen if some bright spark produced a girl and boy doll designed to 'grow' so that it could simulate making the baby lol

Bet that would be deemed inappropriate rather quickly.
 
Spudlet said:
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I wouldn't Spud last time I found they were too big to fit in my socks... tried my hat and they escaped from there too... Just grab a placard instead much easier and less likely to cause back ache in the future ;)
 
irish_only said:
What would happen if some bright spark produced a girl and boy doll designed to 'grow' so that it could simulate making the baby lol

Bet that would be deemed inappropriate rather quickly.
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Don't just don't... I also wandered about the baby they can "give birth too" as thats so natural... opens the door for a whole host of nasties.

I can understand the "its natural" comment but hey what about respecting that not everyone likes adults breastfeeding let alone 5-12 year olds! How about the old age addage of respecting the veiws of others...?
 
Paddydou said:
Don't just don't... I also wandered about the baby they can "give birth too" as thats so natural... opens the door for a whole host of nasties.......
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Can you picture it? Presumably the "doll" wont have a one-off usage, and the baby can be sent back from whence it came.

Just imagine, in 20 years, or in the case of some considerably less, when there are those "mothers", who are suing the doll manufactures, complaining that they weren't warned first!! :D:D

Broadly , I'm with you, in that children should retain their innocence, for as long as possible. Life can be enough of a bummer, without inflicting it on the poor little sods, at the earliest possible opportunity.

Alec.
 
Paddydou said:
Don't just don't... I also wandered about the baby they can "give birth too" as thats so natural... opens the door for a whole host of nasties.

I can understand the "its natural" comment but hey what about respecting that not everyone likes adults breastfeeding let alone 5-12 year olds! How about the old age addage of respecting the veiws of others...?
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By this, do you mean not everyone likes adults breastfeeding in public or breastfeeding per se?
 
rosy said:
By this, do you mean not everyone likes adults breastfeeding in public or breastfeeding per se?
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Nothing wrong with breastfeeding, I did with all six of mine. Still managed to do it without pulling one out in public. Didn't see breastfeeding as a political statement, just thought it was good manners to be mindful of peoples sensibilities.

The doll is yuk. Cringingly embarrassing for any 4 year old girl/boy/pre-transgender.:rolleyes:
Do remember having a pram and a Tiny Tears as a child. Tiny Tears was booted out of the pram as brothers bribed me to let them have the chassis to make a go-kart. I was such a poor promise of ever having future maternal feeling. Ah well.
 
That doll is just wrong!

Let children be children, isn't it bad enough that little girls are already being dressed like teenagers!
 
horserider said:
Nothing wrong with breastfeeding, I did with all six of mine. Still managed to do it without pulling one out in public. Didn't see breastfeeding as a political statement, just thought it was good manners to be mindful of peoples sensibilities.

The doll is yuk. Cringingly embarrassing for any 4 year old girl/boy/pre-transgender.:rolleyes:
Do remember having a pram and a Tiny Tears as a child. Tiny Tears was booted out of the pram as brothers bribed me to let them have the chassis to make a go-kart. I was such a poor promise of ever having future maternal feeling. Ah well.
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Absolutely on there being nothing wrong with breast feeding - I have had 5 kids, you beat me ;). It wasn't clear to me from the post quite what was being objected to - I breastfed in public very occasionally and no one ever saw anything. I don't much like the doll TBH but I do have a bit of a problem with bottle fed dolls making bottle feeding appear to be the norm, or the correct or only way.

I had a Tiny Tears, my gran bought it for me for Christmas one year - I think to try to distract me from ponies, absolutely no chance. No idea what happened to it.
My daughter once got a doll for Christmas along with a kitchen utensil set. The first thing she did was to take out the potato masher and mash the doll's face. Thank goodness there was only family there to see - they knew that I didn't regularly mash my children. :D
 
As much as I hate to say it - girls need to know about those things at that age. What with as many teenage pregnancies, and the government doing squat to discourage childhood pregnancy. I would love for young girls to have a carefree childhood, and not have to concern themselves with child rearing. But, things like this need to be taught at an early age now. Sad, but true.
 
It doesn't bother me at all. Lots of little girls pretend to bottle feed their dolls so this is a more natural alternative. We mammals are all designed to breast feed our infants. Breast feeding and fetishising the breast are not the same thing.
 
Booboos said:
I don't see the problem. There are plenty of dolls who can be bottle fed and then 'urinate', so why not a mock breast feeding doll? It has nothing to do with growing up too fast in my opinion, just a more realistic baby doll. Having said that little boys should be welcome to give it a go as well and little girls should get different toys if they don't fancy dolls.
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are you for real?????
 
rosy said:
By this, do you mean not everyone likes adults breastfeeding in public or breastfeeding per se?
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i breastfed all my children but never deemed it to be a public exercise - if in public i always chose a corner i could do it with noone knowing - i wont wee in public (and that is a natural thing) so why i openly breast feed in public????
 
narkymare said:
are you for real?????
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Yes last time I checked I was.

To those of you who are having a more serious discussion: I am about to give birth and I intend to breastfeed, if there was a child in the room I would never think of hiding the breast feeding in order to protect their innocence. I don't think children are more innocent if they don't see naked adults or if they don't know where babies come from. I find the barbie type dolls that look like prostitutes to be far more problematic than a doll that has realistic human functions. Making children embarassed and upset about normal human functions, like reproduction and breast feeding, seems more problematic to me. There is a difference between innocence and gross ignorance bordering on idiocy (e.g. I would never teach my daughter that babies come from cabbages).

I see a huge difference between encouraging children to act like adults by, for example, encouraging them to wear make up, wear sexually provocative clothing or mimick gender stereotypes around sex roles, and actually teaching children about perfectly normal body functions like breast feeding or where babies come from.
 
Lord... potentially the target age for that doll could still be being breast fed themselves, or only be out of it a wee while, I'm sure they are aware of the concept. :rolleyes:

My mum had my sister when I was 4... I turned out fairly normal and haven't popped out 15 kids of my own, despite seeing breastfeeding at such a tender, innocent age...

Oh dear. I'm sure plenty of childhoods are stolen, but not due to a breast feeding doll.

Perspective anyone? No, ok then.
 
narkymare said:
i breastfed all my children but never deemed it to be a public exercise - if in public i always chose a corner i could do it with noone knowing - i wont wee in public (and that is a natural thing) so why i openly breast feed in public????
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See, that's why I was asking the question - to clarify the point. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I was advocating breast feeding as public entertainment because I wasn't. You are arguing against a statement that I never made.

I do, however, think that we have a very curious attitude to breasts and breastfeeding. We have sexualised breasts in our culture to an extent to which now the primary function is considered distasteful and yet page 3 can be displayed in public with no apparent problem.

In all honesty, I find page 3 in The Sun far more offensive than a woman breastfeeding her baby in public.
 
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Booboos said:
Yes last time I checked I was.

To those of you who are having a more serious discussion: I am about to give birth and I intend to breastfeed, if there was a child in the room I would never think of hiding the breast feeding in order to protect their innocence. I don't think children are more innocent if they don't see naked adults or if they don't know where babies come from. I find the barbie type dolls that look like prostitutes to be far more problematic than a doll that has realistic human functions. Making children embarassed and upset about normal human functions, like reproduction and breast feeding, seems more problematic to me. There is a difference between innocence and gross ignorance bordering on idiocy (e.g. I would never teach my daughter that babies come from cabbages).

I see a huge difference between encouraging children to act like adults by, for example, encouraging them to wear make up, wear sexually provocative clothing or mimick gender stereotypes around sex roles, and actually teaching children about perfectly normal body functions like breast feeding or where babies come from.
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And, what she said.
 
When I was a kid I used to get very embarressed with my mums friends who would whip out their breasts to feed the little 'un! To be fair they were very discreet and you actually couldn't see anything. I was always mortified though but because it is natural I use to make myself just ignore it and try and accept it.

I'm not mad about the doll to be honest but I would rather give the child a doll than a nintendo DS......
 
Hmmm.. very interesting to read the reaction from female posters young and old on this - the first observation I would make is that many point to the supposed loss of innocence giving this doll to a child - totally overlooking the fact that if the child actually is innocent she will simply take the doll and play "mum" with it innocently - it's only the viewing adults that will be offended.

However, I do have reservations about the product and imagine myself as creative director in the manufacturing firm being greeted by this news - here we are boss, our new line - a suckling doll kit! My reply is along the lines of .... ah well, if you really can't come up with anything better let's see if it sinks or swims in the market... but bring me the head of the guy that thought this one up.
 
Can't see a problem with it personally. Breast feeding is a perfectly natural function and maybe if these dolls become commonplace, there might just be a bit less embarrassment about it in the next generation.

FWIW I had a Tiny Tears doll when I was little, got bored with it quickly when I realised the only place I could play with it was in the bathroom because what went in the front end came straight out the other!! I am pretty sure that having a Tiny Tears didn't make me grow up too fast nor did it encourage me to have lots of children when I was young... I am 30 and still don't have kids!
 
Over2You said:
As much as I hate to say it - girls need to know about those things at that age. What with as many teenage pregnancies, and the government doing squat to discourage childhood pregnancy. I would love for young girls to have a carefree childhood, and not have to concern themselves with child rearing. But, things like this need to be taught at an early age now. Sad, but true.
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no, not at that age they dont. and that is a fact.

and to be honest im a bit sick of the breastfeeding brigade, after the amount of BF BS rammed down my neck when i was pregnant the fact that i couldnt BF my son when he was born (through me nearly dying in labour) literally made me want to top myself, i spent the first 6 months feeling like a complete failure.

turns out my 18month old is sturdier and healthier than most his age, walked early, is a freaking genius, so screw that breast is best, its obviously not, because my son would have been very very ill if i had!!!
 
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