severnmiles
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Anyone got the info sheet on it, I've lost mine and a friend wanted a copy...?
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
Soaked oats diet
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AmyMay
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And please can someone remind us of the benefits??
Currently re-evaluating my feeding regime............
Currently re-evaluating my feeding regime............
cobden99
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Yes I would be interested as well .....
severnmiles
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And please can someone remind us of the benefits??
Currently re-evaluating my feeding regime............
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Well Rhi has been on it since a weanling and she's done well from it...I'd say....
And please can someone remind us of the benefits??
Currently re-evaluating my feeding regime............
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Well Rhi has been on it since a weanling and she's done well from it...I'd say....
S_N
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will do when i get this person off the phone!!
Maesfen
Extremely Old Nag!
MillionDollar
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Here's the fact sheet.
"This is a diet I reccomend for all horses but especially for horses that are not 'doing well' or showing dietary problems like spots or sweet itch or just simply being 'hyper'. It suits all horses and is much more cost effective as well as healthier.
OATS are classed as both as a herb and a food, they are a strength-giving, low in starch but high in minerals. Also rich in Vitamin B, they contain alkaloids, glycosides and fixed oils which are an important source of vitamine E. They are a nerve tonic and bone building and contrary to modern day thinking, are the best possible feed for horses that are in work. The best way to feed them is soaked as explained here.
Soaked whole oats, soaked for 12-24 hours in cold water, this makes the oat a living enzyme again, which enables the horse to digest them more easily. Because they are now a living enzyme and easier to digested, the energy is released into the system quicker and without any build up of lactic acid, so no tying up, and also the horses hold their weight better, also as the starches are broken down easier it does not affect the temperment, also the benefits of soaking inclunde the fact that any chemical residue from sprays etc...are washed away, but not the goodness of the oat, also as vit E is in the outer husk of the oat, after soaking it becomes absorbable. The oats should be drained if possible overnight or for at least 1 and a half hours before starting to feed, and enough can be put up to last a whole day. If they are put up for example at 5 pm and drained at 5 pm the next evening, once a routine is established it is very simple, all you need is a hessain sack and a spare dustbin.
In light work I would suggest approx 2 to 3 lb of oats twice a day with alfalfa (weigh soaked oats not dry) and of course good hay. The amount can be increased gradually if and when work increases.
Carrots are excellent for the liver and the digestive system and full of calcium. Always make sure they are sliced sideways to avoid choke, another good vegetable that horses like is turnips or swedes, cut half a turnip into the feed trough twice a week to let them play with it, it is very nutritous.
The best supplement to feed in seaweed, one 15ml measure once a day, it is high in minerals and trace elements. It is rich in copper iron magnesium and phosphorus silicon and sulphur. The iodine content, which is a supreme gland builder and conditioner, reduces excess fatty tissue and removes toxic elements, along with iron which of course is premier importance to the blood, promoting oxygen absorbtion and building red corpuscules.
Alfalfa is classed as a herb cos it is very deep rooting, it is a rich source of calcium and also contains chlorine, magnesium, phosph.. potass.. sodium and sulphur..it is also rich in vits. It is high in protein, it is also a diuretic and more importantly it has 8 digestive enzymes in it which stimulate the digestive system, enabling the proper assimilation of the nutrients provided. It is a very good 'balancer' to be fed with oats, although it is a complete feed in its own right. To add to the oat diet add a double handfull mixed in with each feed.
Sugar beet, prefably unmolassed helps to keep condition on, it is also good for keeping bowels working, and is high in calcium.
A bran mash twice a week with a small handfull of epsom salts to keep their system clean, this has become unfashionable due to modern day nutritionists, however it is as good for horses nowadays as it was in the past. Cider vinegar internally, is good for them, an egg cupfull daily, this is also excellent used externally for any sore and inflamed joints.
Salt should be available, the best source is rock salt, not the man made licks but the rock salt that is dug out of the ground and many feed merchants sell it.
For those horses that need to put on weight or hold condition boiled barley linseed and flaked maize are all good fattening foods.
And finally but equally important is good quality hay. If you have to feed haylage for some reason than feed good quality oat straw to bulk them up.
I realise that this diet is 'old fashioned' and that the modern day nutritionists say that it is bad for horses, however, as it was all that horses were fed in the past, and the horses were far fitter, healthier, les colics, ulcers, hardly any sweet itch, fewer cases of tying up, fewer cases of fractures and bursting, far less cases of laminitis, it think the evidence speaks for itself, and I am confident that you will be delighted with the results, apart from the fact that it will save you a lot of money!!
For the best source of unmolassed sugar beet and Alfalfa contact a company called simple systems tel no 01371 870753 Simple systems also provide grass nuts and other beneficial feeds.
Any futher questions or queries please do not hesitate to contact me
Ellen Collinson
Manor Farm
Saxby
Melton Mowbray
Leics
LEI 2RR"
"This is a diet I reccomend for all horses but especially for horses that are not 'doing well' or showing dietary problems like spots or sweet itch or just simply being 'hyper'. It suits all horses and is much more cost effective as well as healthier.
OATS are classed as both as a herb and a food, they are a strength-giving, low in starch but high in minerals. Also rich in Vitamin B, they contain alkaloids, glycosides and fixed oils which are an important source of vitamine E. They are a nerve tonic and bone building and contrary to modern day thinking, are the best possible feed for horses that are in work. The best way to feed them is soaked as explained here.
Soaked whole oats, soaked for 12-24 hours in cold water, this makes the oat a living enzyme again, which enables the horse to digest them more easily. Because they are now a living enzyme and easier to digested, the energy is released into the system quicker and without any build up of lactic acid, so no tying up, and also the horses hold their weight better, also as the starches are broken down easier it does not affect the temperment, also the benefits of soaking inclunde the fact that any chemical residue from sprays etc...are washed away, but not the goodness of the oat, also as vit E is in the outer husk of the oat, after soaking it becomes absorbable. The oats should be drained if possible overnight or for at least 1 and a half hours before starting to feed, and enough can be put up to last a whole day. If they are put up for example at 5 pm and drained at 5 pm the next evening, once a routine is established it is very simple, all you need is a hessain sack and a spare dustbin.
In light work I would suggest approx 2 to 3 lb of oats twice a day with alfalfa (weigh soaked oats not dry) and of course good hay. The amount can be increased gradually if and when work increases.
Carrots are excellent for the liver and the digestive system and full of calcium. Always make sure they are sliced sideways to avoid choke, another good vegetable that horses like is turnips or swedes, cut half a turnip into the feed trough twice a week to let them play with it, it is very nutritous.
The best supplement to feed in seaweed, one 15ml measure once a day, it is high in minerals and trace elements. It is rich in copper iron magnesium and phosphorus silicon and sulphur. The iodine content, which is a supreme gland builder and conditioner, reduces excess fatty tissue and removes toxic elements, along with iron which of course is premier importance to the blood, promoting oxygen absorbtion and building red corpuscules.
Alfalfa is classed as a herb cos it is very deep rooting, it is a rich source of calcium and also contains chlorine, magnesium, phosph.. potass.. sodium and sulphur..it is also rich in vits. It is high in protein, it is also a diuretic and more importantly it has 8 digestive enzymes in it which stimulate the digestive system, enabling the proper assimilation of the nutrients provided. It is a very good 'balancer' to be fed with oats, although it is a complete feed in its own right. To add to the oat diet add a double handfull mixed in with each feed.
Sugar beet, prefably unmolassed helps to keep condition on, it is also good for keeping bowels working, and is high in calcium.
A bran mash twice a week with a small handfull of epsom salts to keep their system clean, this has become unfashionable due to modern day nutritionists, however it is as good for horses nowadays as it was in the past. Cider vinegar internally, is good for them, an egg cupfull daily, this is also excellent used externally for any sore and inflamed joints.
Salt should be available, the best source is rock salt, not the man made licks but the rock salt that is dug out of the ground and many feed merchants sell it.
For those horses that need to put on weight or hold condition boiled barley linseed and flaked maize are all good fattening foods.
And finally but equally important is good quality hay. If you have to feed haylage for some reason than feed good quality oat straw to bulk them up.
I realise that this diet is 'old fashioned' and that the modern day nutritionists say that it is bad for horses, however, as it was all that horses were fed in the past, and the horses were far fitter, healthier, les colics, ulcers, hardly any sweet itch, fewer cases of tying up, fewer cases of fractures and bursting, far less cases of laminitis, it think the evidence speaks for itself, and I am confident that you will be delighted with the results, apart from the fact that it will save you a lot of money!!
For the best source of unmolassed sugar beet and Alfalfa contact a company called simple systems tel no 01371 870753 Simple systems also provide grass nuts and other beneficial feeds.
Any futher questions or queries please do not hesitate to contact me
Ellen Collinson
Manor Farm
Saxby
Melton Mowbray
Leics
LEI 2RR"
kittykatcat
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I'm sorry, what scientific research is this based on????? I was under the impression that an enzyme was a biological catalyst that works by speeding up reactions, not an organism that can live or die, and therefore cannot be miraculously bought back to life by some water! Also, oats are low in starch...erm, compared to what???! Barley, yes maybe, most other things in a horses diet, no not really.
Quite intrigued by this diet as it seems extremely unbalanced, quite bizarre and very time consuming!!
Quite intrigued by this diet as it seems extremely unbalanced, quite bizarre and very time consuming!!
MissDeMeena
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I've been feeding it for over a year now.. and am thrilled with it!!! As for the type of horses i'm feeding it to.. Adv. event horse, down to a weedy ex-racehorse that needs serious weight gain...
My only question to the person who first posted about it... why do you have to drain the oats for at least 1hr after soaking them??? as i said i've been feeding almost exactly as posted above for over a year, with fab results. but i only drain them for a couple of mins, or at least till the water has stoped dripping off them...??????
My only question to the person who first posted about it... why do you have to drain the oats for at least 1hr after soaking them??? as i said i've been feeding almost exactly as posted above for over a year, with fab results. but i only drain them for a couple of mins, or at least till the water has stoped dripping off them...??????
severnmiles
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I've been feeding it for over a year now.. and am thrilled with it!!! As for the type of horses i'm feeding it to.. Adv. event horse, down to a weedy ex-racehorse that needs serious weight gain...
My only question to the person who first posted about it... why do you have to drain the oats for at least 1hr after soaking them??? as i said i've been feeding almost exactly as posted above for over a year, with fab results. but i only drain them for a couple of mins, or at least till the water has stoped dripping off them...??????
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Me too Mdm....I think most people feeding it just drain until the drips stop!
I've been feeding it for over a year now.. and am thrilled with it!!! As for the type of horses i'm feeding it to.. Adv. event horse, down to a weedy ex-racehorse that needs serious weight gain...
My only question to the person who first posted about it... why do you have to drain the oats for at least 1hr after soaking them??? as i said i've been feeding almost exactly as posted above for over a year, with fab results. but i only drain them for a couple of mins, or at least till the water has stoped dripping off them...??????
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Me too Mdm....I think most people feeding it just drain until the drips stop!
severnmiles
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But results speak for themselves KittyCat....
If you read Capt Mark P's column he's also very anti commercial feeds...
I don't understand how you can say its unbalanced, what in your opinion is missing?
If you read Capt Mark P's column he's also very anti commercial feeds...
I don't understand how you can say its unbalanced, what in your opinion is missing?
checkmate1
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Is it just whole oats that need to be soaked? Or rolled, crushed tiger..aswell?
PapaFrita
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Also, oats are low in starch...erm, compared to what???! Barley, yes maybe, most other things in a horses diet, no not really.
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Maize? Peas?
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Quite intrigued by this diet as it seems extremely unbalanced, quite bizarre and very time consuming!!
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I live in Argentina where there are only one or two 'balanced' feeds for horses (and I don't think they're that balanced). I can tell you of entire racing and SJ stables that feed horses entirely on oats and alfalfa (so not complicated at all) and the horses look spectacular on it. Having been brought up in the UK with the very many feeds available, I was sceptical at first but am now a complete convert. PF used to be a fussy eater and huge pain in the bum to put weight on, plus she used to suffer from low-grade colic fairly regularly. Not any more.
Also, oats are low in starch...erm, compared to what???! Barley, yes maybe, most other things in a horses diet, no not really.
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Maize? Peas?
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Quite intrigued by this diet as it seems extremely unbalanced, quite bizarre and very time consuming!!
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I live in Argentina where there are only one or two 'balanced' feeds for horses (and I don't think they're that balanced). I can tell you of entire racing and SJ stables that feed horses entirely on oats and alfalfa (so not complicated at all) and the horses look spectacular on it. Having been brought up in the UK with the very many feeds available, I was sceptical at first but am now a complete convert. PF used to be a fussy eater and huge pain in the bum to put weight on, plus she used to suffer from low-grade colic fairly regularly. Not any more.
severnmiles
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Love the wolf pic PF!
severnmiles
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Is it just whole oats that need to be soaked? Or rolled, crushed tiger..aswell?
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Whole oats.
Is it just whole oats that need to be soaked? Or rolled, crushed tiger..aswell?
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Whole oats.
PapaFrita
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Thank you
kittykatcat
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Well i suppose if horses look and feel good, you can't really argue. However, i still feel this diet is unbalanced....oats and alfalfa are natural products and vary with season to year etc with what's in them...so you cant have a consistant supply of vitamin E for example. For a feed to be balanced vitamins and minerals dont just have to be present, they have to be present in the right levels and ratios, which i dont think you can always ensure with this diet. That's the beauty of modern compound feeds, you know what's in them, and how much, and that that will be the same over and over with each bag!
seabiscuit
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Well i suppose if horses look and feel good, you can't really argue. However, i still feel this diet is unbalanced....oats and alfalfa are natural products and vary with season to year etc with what's in them...so you cant have a consistant supply of vitamin E for example. For a feed to be balanced vitamins and minerals dont just have to be present, they have to be present in the right levels and ratios, which i dont think you can always ensure with this diet. That's the beauty of modern compound feeds, you know what's in them, and how much, and that that will be the same over and over with each bag!
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Thats just it about compound feeds!! You certainly do not know what is going into them. How can you be totally sure? What about cubes? Who knows what little 'extras' could be sneaking into every kind of cube that is made? Chicken stock? cow bones? Yes there are stringent regulations guarding this, but this can only govern things to a certain extent. Only the other year, at the yard I worked at, I kept finding sweet wrappers/bits of plastic in the bags of a well-known feed company. Also a lot of the stuff that is going into nuts/mixes are not really all that digestible for a horse.. remember in olden day, when horses where only fed straights...mostly oats.. far less cases of colicking...now colic is just rife every where.And a vit/min supplement like seaweed or anything like selenative E is added to the oats/alfalfa to ensure that everything is balanced.
MDM, Re; draining them for at least an hour, that is reccomended by Ellen collinson who wrote that factsheet on soaking oats, it just ensures that all the 'bad stuff/toxins' that have been drained off the oats has thoroughly dripped away.
Well i suppose if horses look and feel good, you can't really argue. However, i still feel this diet is unbalanced....oats and alfalfa are natural products and vary with season to year etc with what's in them...so you cant have a consistant supply of vitamin E for example. For a feed to be balanced vitamins and minerals dont just have to be present, they have to be present in the right levels and ratios, which i dont think you can always ensure with this diet. That's the beauty of modern compound feeds, you know what's in them, and how much, and that that will be the same over and over with each bag!
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Thats just it about compound feeds!! You certainly do not know what is going into them. How can you be totally sure? What about cubes? Who knows what little 'extras' could be sneaking into every kind of cube that is made? Chicken stock? cow bones? Yes there are stringent regulations guarding this, but this can only govern things to a certain extent. Only the other year, at the yard I worked at, I kept finding sweet wrappers/bits of plastic in the bags of a well-known feed company. Also a lot of the stuff that is going into nuts/mixes are not really all that digestible for a horse.. remember in olden day, when horses where only fed straights...mostly oats.. far less cases of colicking...now colic is just rife every where.And a vit/min supplement like seaweed or anything like selenative E is added to the oats/alfalfa to ensure that everything is balanced.
MDM, Re; draining them for at least an hour, that is reccomended by Ellen collinson who wrote that factsheet on soaking oats, it just ensures that all the 'bad stuff/toxins' that have been drained off the oats has thoroughly dripped away.
kittykatcat
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I'm not sure cow bones and chicken stock feature highly on the list of ingredients in reputable compound feeds, especially since the BSE scare they have to have strict quality control tests...anyway...i would much rather go with what the horse is naturally designed to eat, a well balanced feed that is based on fibre and does not stuff my horse full of cereals.
severnmiles
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That's the beauty of modern compound feeds, you know what's in them, and how much, and that that will be the same over and over with each bag!
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Including the mushed cardboard in the nuts, really balanced
That's the beauty of modern compound feeds, you know what's in them, and how much, and that that will be the same over and over with each bag!
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Including the mushed cardboard in the nuts, really balanced
severnmiles
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I'm not sure cow bones and chicken stock feature highly on the list of ingredients in reputable compound feeds, especially since the BSE scare they have to have strict quality control tests...anyway...i would much rather go with what the horse is naturally designed to eat, a well balanced feed that is based on fibre and does not stuff my horse full of cereals.
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Not sure horses were meant to eat D&H or Spillers, last time I checked they weren't around several hundred or thousand years ago.
Why is everyone obsessed with balance? Its like dog feed, balance bla bla, dogs weren't meant to eat grains so why feed them grains, their digestive system is built to digest meat/fat and bones with a tiny amount of non complex carbs e.g grasses/fruits.
Who says horses need all of these vitamins and minerals in their diet? Crushed peas, maize e.t.c Do you ever see wild mustangs or even Exmoor ponies eating any of that? No you don't yet they've survived for how many years?
I'm not sure cow bones and chicken stock feature highly on the list of ingredients in reputable compound feeds, especially since the BSE scare they have to have strict quality control tests...anyway...i would much rather go with what the horse is naturally designed to eat, a well balanced feed that is based on fibre and does not stuff my horse full of cereals.
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Not sure horses were meant to eat D&H or Spillers, last time I checked they weren't around several hundred or thousand years ago.
Why is everyone obsessed with balance? Its like dog feed, balance bla bla, dogs weren't meant to eat grains so why feed them grains, their digestive system is built to digest meat/fat and bones with a tiny amount of non complex carbs e.g grasses/fruits.
Who says horses need all of these vitamins and minerals in their diet? Crushed peas, maize e.t.c Do you ever see wild mustangs or even Exmoor ponies eating any of that? No you don't yet they've survived for how many years?
Bossanova
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Soaked whole oats, soaked for 12-24 hours in cold water, this makes the oat a living enzyme again, which enables the horse to digest them more easily. Because they are now a living enzyme and easier to digested, the energy is released into the system quicker and without any build up of lactic acid, so no tying up, and also the horses hold their weight better, also as the starches are broken down easier it does not affect the temperment, also the benefits of soaking inclunde the fact that any chemical residue from sprays etc...are washed away, but not the goodness of the oat, also as vit E is in the outer husk of the oat, after soaking it becomes absorbable
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The science behind this is made up. I'm not doubting the diet works, I'm just saying that the author has no grip on the science at all!!
Enzymes digest food. They arent the food.
Allowing quicker passage into the blood stream has NOTHING to do with lactic acid. Lactic acid is due to the oxygen debt in muscles following anaerobic respiration due to oxygen not being able to be delivered to the muscles rapidly enough. No matter how rapidly your oats are digested, they arent going to magic oxygen into hard-working muscles!!
Soaked whole oats, soaked for 12-24 hours in cold water, this makes the oat a living enzyme again, which enables the horse to digest them more easily. Because they are now a living enzyme and easier to digested, the energy is released into the system quicker and without any build up of lactic acid, so no tying up, and also the horses hold their weight better, also as the starches are broken down easier it does not affect the temperment, also the benefits of soaking inclunde the fact that any chemical residue from sprays etc...are washed away, but not the goodness of the oat, also as vit E is in the outer husk of the oat, after soaking it becomes absorbable
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The science behind this is made up. I'm not doubting the diet works, I'm just saying that the author has no grip on the science at all!!
Enzymes digest food. They arent the food.
Allowing quicker passage into the blood stream has NOTHING to do with lactic acid. Lactic acid is due to the oxygen debt in muscles following anaerobic respiration due to oxygen not being able to be delivered to the muscles rapidly enough. No matter how rapidly your oats are digested, they arent going to magic oxygen into hard-working muscles!!
ihatework
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Soaked whole oats, soaked for 12-24 hours in cold water, this makes the oat a living enzyme again, which enables the horse to digest them more easily. Because they are now a living enzyme and easier to digested, the energy is released into the system quicker and without any build up of lactic acid, so no tying up, and also the horses hold their weight better, also as the starches are broken down easier it does not affect the temperment, also the benefits of soaking inclunde the fact that any chemical residue from sprays etc...are washed away, but not the goodness of the oat, also as vit E is in the outer husk of the oat, after soaking it becomes absorbable
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The science behind this is made up. I'm not doubting the diet works, I'm just saying that the author has no grip on the science at all!!
Enzymes digest food. They arent the food.
Allowing quicker passage into the blood stream has NOTHING to do with lactic acid. Lactic acid is due to the oxygen debt in muscles following anaerobic respiration due to oxygen not being able to be delivered to the muscles rapidly enough. No matter how rapidly your oats are digested, they arent going to magic oxygen into hard-working muscles!!
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Ditto Boss.
I would have far more time for the author if their actually reasoning made sense, as it is the science behind it is rubbish which could easily cause some to discredit the actual diet.
Personally I wouldn't have a problem with feeding the diet at all, not that I do feed it but if compound feeds contnue at £10 a sack I might be tempted!
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Soaked whole oats, soaked for 12-24 hours in cold water, this makes the oat a living enzyme again, which enables the horse to digest them more easily. Because they are now a living enzyme and easier to digested, the energy is released into the system quicker and without any build up of lactic acid, so no tying up, and also the horses hold their weight better, also as the starches are broken down easier it does not affect the temperment, also the benefits of soaking inclunde the fact that any chemical residue from sprays etc...are washed away, but not the goodness of the oat, also as vit E is in the outer husk of the oat, after soaking it becomes absorbable
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The science behind this is made up. I'm not doubting the diet works, I'm just saying that the author has no grip on the science at all!!
Enzymes digest food. They arent the food.
Allowing quicker passage into the blood stream has NOTHING to do with lactic acid. Lactic acid is due to the oxygen debt in muscles following anaerobic respiration due to oxygen not being able to be delivered to the muscles rapidly enough. No matter how rapidly your oats are digested, they arent going to magic oxygen into hard-working muscles!!
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Ditto Boss.
I would have far more time for the author if their actually reasoning made sense, as it is the science behind it is rubbish which could easily cause some to discredit the actual diet.
Personally I wouldn't have a problem with feeding the diet at all, not that I do feed it but if compound feeds contnue at £10 a sack I might be tempted!
seabiscuit
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Soaked whole oats, soaked for 12-24 hours in cold water, this makes the oat a living enzyme again, which enables the horse to digest them more easily. Because they are now a living enzyme and easier to digested, the energy is released into the system quicker and without any build up of lactic acid, so no tying up, and also the horses hold their weight better, also as the starches are broken down easier it does not affect the temperment, also the benefits of soaking inclunde the fact that any chemical residue from sprays etc...are washed away, but not the goodness of the oat, also as vit E is in the outer husk of the oat, after soaking it becomes absorbable
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The science behind this is made up. I'm not doubting the diet works, I'm just saying that the author has no grip on the science at all!!
Enzymes digest food. They arent the food.
Allowing quicker passage into the blood stream has NOTHING to do with lactic acid. Lactic acid is due to the oxygen debt in muscles following anaerobic respiration due to oxygen not being able to be delivered to the muscles rapidly enough. No matter how rapidly your oats are digested, they arent going to magic oxygen into hard-working muscles!!
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I quite agree the author has worded this very strangely indeed, there is no scientific backing behind what she is saying and it is very muddled and confused. But who cares what she says, the diet works, the horses thrive on it and it is so incredibly cheap!
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Soaked whole oats, soaked for 12-24 hours in cold water, this makes the oat a living enzyme again, which enables the horse to digest them more easily. Because they are now a living enzyme and easier to digested, the energy is released into the system quicker and without any build up of lactic acid, so no tying up, and also the horses hold their weight better, also as the starches are broken down easier it does not affect the temperment, also the benefits of soaking inclunde the fact that any chemical residue from sprays etc...are washed away, but not the goodness of the oat, also as vit E is in the outer husk of the oat, after soaking it becomes absorbable
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The science behind this is made up. I'm not doubting the diet works, I'm just saying that the author has no grip on the science at all!!
Enzymes digest food. They arent the food.
Allowing quicker passage into the blood stream has NOTHING to do with lactic acid. Lactic acid is due to the oxygen debt in muscles following anaerobic respiration due to oxygen not being able to be delivered to the muscles rapidly enough. No matter how rapidly your oats are digested, they arent going to magic oxygen into hard-working muscles!!
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I quite agree the author has worded this very strangely indeed, there is no scientific backing behind what she is saying and it is very muddled and confused. But who cares what she says, the diet works, the horses thrive on it and it is so incredibly cheap!
severnmiles
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Tbh when I read it through I thought the spelling and use of words and the grammar was appalling but nevertheless I'm a big fan of the diet...
ChocoCornflake
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Aha, but then, the dietery needs of a wild mustang or an exmoor pony is far different to that of, say a fit competition horse, who not only needs calories for stamina, and the correct bulid up of muscle tissue but also the correct vitamins and minerals in the correct levels to digest said feed to put it to good use!
Im not saying the soaked oats diet does not work, it obviously does, which is great. However, the scientific basis behind it appears flawed on every level, and I for one would prefer to feed my horse on products which have been derived from much scientific research.
I know for a fact that there are stringent rules around what can be added to compound feed, and the odd bags containing random bits of cardboard are the fault of a manufacturing defect, and not because it was put there intentionally!!
Also, I cannot see how the diet would be suitable for eg. a family cob type who is in light work, or even a horse on rest, due to the rather high instant energy content?
Oats do have a level of starch which will produce the 'chocolate bar' effect, ie an instant energy boost which has links to neurotic behaviour in horses...there are a lot better energy sources available, for example oils which provide the horse with slow-releasing energy which in the majority of cases is much more suitable.
Im not saying the soaked oats diet does not work, it obviously does, which is great. However, the scientific basis behind it appears flawed on every level, and I for one would prefer to feed my horse on products which have been derived from much scientific research.
I know for a fact that there are stringent rules around what can be added to compound feed, and the odd bags containing random bits of cardboard are the fault of a manufacturing defect, and not because it was put there intentionally!!
Also, I cannot see how the diet would be suitable for eg. a family cob type who is in light work, or even a horse on rest, due to the rather high instant energy content?
Oats do have a level of starch which will produce the 'chocolate bar' effect, ie an instant energy boost which has links to neurotic behaviour in horses...there are a lot better energy sources available, for example oils which provide the horse with slow-releasing energy which in the majority of cases is much more suitable.
severnmiles
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But what their stomachs can and cannot digest does not differ from wild mustang to fit 4* event horse. Evolution take a very long time and just as our bodies can't cope with the rubbish we put in them, hence cancers, dietry problems e.t.c horses stomachs weren't built for commercial feeds. As Mdm says her Ernie is fed the soaked oats diet, so the proof is in the pudding.
" on products which have been derived from much scientific research"
But don't you question the so called 'scientific research' when said scientific research is funded by the commercial feed companies
Soaked oats don't produce high energy bursts, thats the beauty of the diet, it has kept my 3y.o very level headed (ask Ilona who posted above just how laid back she can be) from a weanling whereas other youngsters have been raised on D&H which has blown their brains, she's maintained weight and grown to 16.2hh with a glossy coat and healthy outlook - atleast on the exterior. The point of soaking them is to turn them from something that gives a short, sharp burst of energy into a feed that is slow releasing.
Unsoaked oats may cause the 'chocolate bar' effect but as said above soaking them dispells this.
" on products which have been derived from much scientific research"
But don't you question the so called 'scientific research' when said scientific research is funded by the commercial feed companies
Soaked oats don't produce high energy bursts, thats the beauty of the diet, it has kept my 3y.o very level headed (ask Ilona who posted above just how laid back she can be) from a weanling whereas other youngsters have been raised on D&H which has blown their brains, she's maintained weight and grown to 16.2hh with a glossy coat and healthy outlook - atleast on the exterior. The point of soaking them is to turn them from something that gives a short, sharp burst of energy into a feed that is slow releasing.
Unsoaked oats may cause the 'chocolate bar' effect but as said above soaking them dispells this.
kittykatcat
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But what their stomachs can and cannot digest does not differ from wild mustang to fit 4* event horse. Evolution take a very long time and just as our bodies can't cope with the rubbish we put in them, hence cancers, dietry problems e.t.c horses stomachs weren't built for commercial feeds.
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Exactly. Horses aren't designed to eat large amounts of cereals, they would have roamed around nibbling on a wide range of fibres, and occasionally a seed head or cereal. No i agree, high cereal compound feeds are not ideal at all, again, i would always feed my horse a balanced fibre feed, but similarly i would not feed a bowl of oats, soaked or not, as it totally goes against what the horse is naturally supposed to eat. As for balance and horses in the wild, they probably were on a balanced diet as they were grazing on many different species of plants and grasses, where as modern day horses get a patch of ryegrass which would not provide a range of vits and mins.
But what their stomachs can and cannot digest does not differ from wild mustang to fit 4* event horse. Evolution take a very long time and just as our bodies can't cope with the rubbish we put in them, hence cancers, dietry problems e.t.c horses stomachs weren't built for commercial feeds.
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Exactly. Horses aren't designed to eat large amounts of cereals, they would have roamed around nibbling on a wide range of fibres, and occasionally a seed head or cereal. No i agree, high cereal compound feeds are not ideal at all, again, i would always feed my horse a balanced fibre feed, but similarly i would not feed a bowl of oats, soaked or not, as it totally goes against what the horse is naturally supposed to eat. As for balance and horses in the wild, they probably were on a balanced diet as they were grazing on many different species of plants and grasses, where as modern day horses get a patch of ryegrass which would not provide a range of vits and mins.
PapaFrita
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Thats just it about compound feeds!! You certainly do not know what is going into them. How can you be totally sure? What about cubes? Who knows what little 'extras' could be sneaking into every kind of cube that is made? Chicken stock? cow bones?
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You're so right!!
Thats just it about compound feeds!! You certainly do not know what is going into them. How can you be totally sure? What about cubes? Who knows what little 'extras' could be sneaking into every kind of cube that is made? Chicken stock? cow bones?
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You're so right!!