Some dealers, how on earth do they make a living?

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Yes I've looking on horsemart and OH MY GORRRRRD, what the hell is going on with some of them, have they lost their marbles or having to use desperate measure?

A particular dealer (I don't mean all horse dealers in general by the way) but I wouldn't dare post some of the photos they have used, I'd be too embaressed to put my name to some of the horses they are trying to sell, some of them look like they need a good feed, others look like they have had a foal on them for the last 6 years, some look like there they've never seen a brush in their lives let alone a saddle and god dam bridle!

Surely it would make sense and money to them to put some time in schooling/grooming and some good grub into the poor creatures before selling them, at least that way they could produce a half decent photo for the adverts thus making themselves an extra couple of hundred pounds or at least get some interest, rather than trying to badly polish a turd...if you excuse my manor of phrase.

It’s the poor horses I feel sorry for, it’s obvious from the photos they are nothing like they have been described…well maybe once upon a time.

Surely the staff they employ must have some kind of back bone or intelligence to have the balls to speak up and suggest better ways of doing things…I really don’t get it.:( it really really gets my back up.

I'm just gobsmacked I guess, how do these sort of establishments actually make a living? :confused:

*breaths* pours ones self a Mrs Mozarts Hot Choccie
 
Yes but in a way, sometimes you prefer them to be presented like that. There is a dealer (very well known to this forum) that has fancy photos and sell horses for a 1/3 of their values - half the time this dealer uses photos that dont even belong to the horse, and tries and sells a horse in 'show condition' but is far from it in the flesh. I actually dont know how this dealer is still in business considering how many people have had a bad experience and yet, they keep turning over the horses. You feel sorry for these horses on how they ended up in a lot of these dealers hands :(
 
It's a well known phenomenon...
If you feed your horses well, school them, groom them, turn them out nicely and take good photos, put together a well written ad and price accordingly - the only people who ring you are joy riders and dreamers.
If you stop feeding them, take atrocious photos, misspell every word in your ad and ideally call yourself a rescue - Bob's your uncle, some sad sod will come and hand over all their money in order to adopt the wretched creature...

Can you tell I'm fed up?lol
 
Kenzo said:
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Yes I've looking on horsemart and OH MY GORRRRRD, what the hell is going on with some of them, have they lost their marbles or having to use desperate measure?

A particular dealer (I don't mean all horse dealers in general by the way) but I wouldn't dare post some of the photos they have used, I'd be too embaressed to put my name to some of the horses they are trying to sell, some of them look like they need a good feed, others look like they have had a foal on them for the last 6 years, some look like there they've never seen a brush in their lives let alone a saddle and god dam bridle!

Surely it would make sense and money to them to put some time in schooling/grooming and some good grub into the poor creatures before selling them, at least that way they could produce a half decent photo for the adverts thus making themselves an extra couple of hundred pounds or at least get some interest, rather than trying to badly polish a turd...if you excuse my manor of phrase.

It’s the poor horses I feel sorry for, it’s obvious from the photos they are nothing like they have been described…well maybe once upon a time.

Surely the staff they employ must have some kind of back bone or intelligence to have the balls to speak up and suggest better ways of doing things…I really don’t get it.:( it really really gets my back up.

I'm just gobsmacked I guess, how do these sort of establishments actually make a living? :confused:

*breaths* pours ones self a Mrs Mozarts Hot Choccie
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Because sadly, there is still, regardless of adverse publicity of these "dealers", numptees who feel sorry for poor, badly put together dross, and want to "rescue" them...

how many times have we read on here about people going to a Dealers yard and buying something totally unsuitable.."because i just couldn't leave the poor thing there"?? :confused:


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missparis said:
Yes but in a way, sometimes you prefer them to be presented like that. There is a dealer (very well known to this forum) that has fancy photos and sell horses for a 1/3 of their values - half the time this dealer uses photos that dont even belong to the horse, and tries and sells a horse in 'show condition' but is far from it in the flesh. I actually dont know how this dealer is still in business considering how many people have had a bad experience and yet, they keep turning over the horses. You feel sorry for these horses on how they ended up in a lot of these dealers hands :(
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Oh yes I see what you are saying :), I'm not really talking about say a horse looking like 'it's been dragged straight from the field look' etc wouldn't put me off neither, I mean the sort that are stood with there with badly fitting saddles and have that lifeless 'tetunus striken' look about them.
 
nativeponies said:
Because sadly, there is still, regardless of adverse publicity of these "dealers", numptees who feel sorry for poor, badly put together dross, and want to "rescue" them...

how many times have we read on here about people going to a Dealers yard and buying something totally unsuitable.."because i just couldn't leave the poor thing there"?? :confused:


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Yes, your quite right there, I admit I have in the past posted the odd link to some ads for some horses that I'd of loved to have re-homed and quoted if only I had a spare £600. :( didn't think that many did it though, well perhaps at sales you expect it more, obviously I'm wrong though, people must be buying them.
 
martlin said:
It's a well known phenomenon...
If you feed your horses well, school them, groom them, turn them out nicely and take good photos, put together a well written ad and price accordingly - the only people who ring you are joy riders and dreamers.
If you stop feeding them, take atrocious photos, misspell every word in your ad and ideally call yourself a rescue - Bob's your uncle, some sad sod will come and hand over all their money in order to adopt the wretched creature...

Can you tell I'm fed up?lol
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Yep, your probably right there too Martlin.

That was my problem, I was fed and decided to brouse good old Horemart, where did it get me, I ended up having a moan on HHO :rolleyes::D
 
The whole purpose of being a dealer is to make money. They are not charities. They make their living from dealing in horses. They will buy the horses in and sell them as quickly as possible so that the expense of keeping them is kept to the minimum.
 
OWLIE185 said:
The whole purpose of being a dealer is to make money. They are not charities. They make their living from dealing in horses. They will buy the horses in and sell them as quickly as possible so that the expense of keeping them is kept to the minimum.
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And? Nobody questions the fact that dealing is a business... but it doesn't mean I can just stop feeding/looking after a horse because it has eaten through all the potential profit, does it now?
 
Everyone knows if the horse is in good condition it will feel god therefore go well. You only get out what you put in...

Not all dealers want to turn around scruffy horses just to keep costs to a minimum. I know many people that would be classed as dealers who buy then school feed and smarten horses up and sell them for far more than they would if they were sold as the poor little scruffs they arrive as.
I really do feel people selling horses in a poor state in mass volume should be cautioned then you would stop the situations like spindals farm.
 
OWLIE185 said:
The whole purpose of being a dealer is to make money. They are not charities. They make their living from dealing in horses. They will buy the horses in and sell them as quickly as possible so that the expense of keeping them is kept to the minimum.
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pearcider said:
Everyone knows if the horse is in good condition it will feel god therefore go well. You only get out what you put in...

Not all dealers want to turn around scruffy horses just to keep costs to a minimum. I know many people that would be classed as dealers who buy then school feed and smarten horses up and sell them for far more than they would if they were sold as the poor little scruffs they arrive as.
I really do feel people selling horses in a poor state in mass volume should be cautioned then you would stop the situations like spindals farm.
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Exactly that's my point, Pearcider has hit my nail on the head there with the above.

I know the whole point of buying and selling horses is the money, I'd be a fool to think otherwise, but I'd want to have at least some sort of pride in my business, it doesn't cost a lot of money to turn a horse around, not if you have the land and facilities which I presume most dealer yards have, besides some of this horses have been for sale for months, so it's not like there churning them on a weekly basis, that's loosing money in my book.
 
Thank you Kenzo!

Maybe the web sites should refuse to advertise the horses that look too poor...but then they just end up at those horrid markets.

Such a shame this happens to animals..
 
Given that you can pick up a sorry looking animal at the sales for a tenner at the moment I can well see why heart string tugging would be a very useful tool in a dealers marketing armoury. Slap up the poor looking photo and ask for a quick sale for £500....people beat a path to the door.

There are dealers out there who look at horses purely as a commodity, they might as well be selling cars or anything else you can name. Buy it cheap, turn it round quick, make money. Thats it.
 
spaniel said:
Given that you can pick up a sorry looking animal at the sales for a tenner at the moment I can well see why heart string tugging would be a very useful tool in a dealers marketing armoury. Slap up the poor looking photo and ask for a quick sale for £500....people beat a path to the door.

There are dealers out there who look at horses purely as a commodity, they might as well be selling cars or anything else you can name. Buy it cheap, turn it round quick, make money. Thats it.
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Oh yes I agree with what your saying, but some of them don't even look like they have been 'turned around' into anything, I'd rather take a gamble at sales at the price their picking them up for, that's what I don't get, how are they making money selling middle ages (TB's and finer stuff) horses that look fit to drop dead, I'd rather buy a group of unbroken 3-4 yr olds and break them in get them riding out, take you a months work and your doubling your money and selling some half decent youngsters, with staff they have, I'd be putting them to some good use and making them earn their wage as well as respecting a creature for what it is, if only they were cars.
 
missparis said:
Yes but in a way, sometimes you prefer them to be presented like that. There is a dealer (very well known to this forum) that has fancy photos and sell horses for a 1/3 of their values - half the time this dealer uses photos that dont even belong to the horse, and tries and sells a horse in 'show condition' but is far from it in the flesh. I actually dont know how this dealer is still in business considering how many people have had a bad experience and yet, they keep turning over the horses. You feel sorry for these horses on how they ended up in a lot of these dealers hands :(
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Wonder if said dealer is the same one I'm thinking of......met someone who used to work for said dealer.....OMG.....the amount of horses I came across when looking for Charlie......kind of monopolizes (sp) horsemart!!!! (am I close??)
 
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. Buy it cheap, turn it round quick, make money. Thats it.[/QUOTE]

What is so wrong with this?
Why is it wrong to buy a horse cheaply, "turn it around" presumably into a usefull sort and sell it on to make money?
Im continually astounded that people seem to hate people making money on horses!!
 
I have no objection to this, I bought Charlie from a girl who does this, but she buys them, keeps them for a few months, gets them out and about etc, then sells on, good luck to her, I'd but another off her in a shot, she's proved to be very open and honest and Charlie is every she said he was......BUT.....some dealers don't even do this, they buy horses then lie to sell them on, yes more fool the people who buy them, but what about the poor horses that end up in totally unsuitable homes because of this practice??
 
DipseyDeb said:
Wonder if said dealer is the same one I'm thinking of......met someone who used to work for said dealer.....OMG.....the amount of horses I came across when looking for Charlie......kind of monopolizes (sp) horsemart!!!! (am I close??)
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Yes, I only know of this dealer advertising 'too good too be true' horses on horsemart. Claims now you can have a vet check so they can protect their so called 'reputation', when I asked for one they told me to go jump and that they sell horses for £12k without a vetcheck :rolleyes: Horsemart have been asked many times to delete this user but they wont.
 
''Buy it cheap, turn it round quick, make money. Thats it.[/QUOTE]

What is so wrong with this?
Why is it wrong to buy a horse cheaply, "turn it around" presumably into a usefull sort and sell it on to make money?
Im continually astounded that people seem to hate people making money on horses!!''[/QUOTE]

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No, I think you have got the wrong end of the stick.

I personally have no problem at all with this, this post has nothing to do with knocking horse dealers at all, 80% of my ponies and horses in the past while growing up have come from horse dealers and sales etc nothing pleases me more to see a horse bought as a poor looking bargain, tarted up a bit/brought on and sold for good money, it's business I know that, but some of dealers don't half do it badly it's a wonder they actually sell anything at all, that was kinda my point from less fluffy bunny side of things, however personally I'd take pride in what I was selling, I couldn't sell unhappy or unhealthy looking horses.
 
. Buy it cheap, turn it round quick, make money. Thats it.[/QUOTE]

What is so wrong with this?
Why is it wrong to buy a horse cheaply, "turn it around" presumably into a usefull sort and sell it on to make money?
Im continually astounded that people seem to hate people making money on horses!![/QUOTE]

Its not the money making thats the problem, its selling a rank bag of bones as something it isnt, lying to the potential buyers and no thought for what will happen to the horse when the new owners get it home and feed the nutter thats meant to be a "school master".

The horse advertising sites dont have a care about the horse, just the money they make, they recommend you contact the WHW.......
 
martlin said:
It's a well known phenomenon...
If you feed your horses well, school them, groom them, turn them out nicely and take good photos, put together a well written ad and price accordingly - the only people who ring you are joy riders and dreamers.
If you stop feeding them, take atrocious photos, misspell every word in your ad and ideally call yourself a rescue - Bob's your uncle, some sad sod will come and hand over all their money in order to adopt the wretched creature...

Can you tell I'm fed up?lol
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nativeponies said:
Because sadly, there is still, regardless of adverse publicity of these "dealers", numptees who feel sorry for poor, badly put together dross, and want to "rescue" them...

how many times have we read on here about people going to a Dealers yard and buying something totally unsuitable.."because i just couldn't leave the poor thing there"?? :confused:


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Hmmmmm, but not all horses that haven't been fed properly are a waste of money! I bought a "rescue" case from a dealer.... (I shall have to learn how to post photo's). Most of my friends were horrified at what I had bought but a little over 6 months later I have an amazing young horse who I think is going to be a star (for me anyroad!). Even the vets have congratulated me on "looking past the bones".....

Some dealers may well deserve to have their business closed. Others may have a different story. I would have reported this one but the only horse that was skin and bone was the one I bought. I got her for a fraction of what the dealer paid and I now have a horse who I wouldn't have been able to afford had she looked and schools as she does now......
 
I think what the original post was about was what a shame there are so many dealers that sell poor animals. Surely as a dealer you would try to have your horses looking good and fit for sale?

I always think its great to hear of horses that were so poor ending up in lovely homes with a job....but wouldnt it be great if this was not even an issue eg if people stopped buying of spindal farm he would have had to stopped trading as he would have made no money. But I know this is not an ideal world so kind horsey folk like us lot pick up the pieces...
 
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. Buy it cheap, turn it round quick, make money. Thats it.[/QUOTE]

I have absolutely no beef about dealers making money on horses, everyone needs to make a living.

My comment doesnt refer to those who buy in cheap, put in money, food and care and then produce a half decent product. My comment refers to those who are on the Iphone on the way home from the sales having picked up a pen full of dubious horses and arealready placing the ads on the sales websites. And yes this really is reality.

Some horses dont get off the lorry after they come out of the sale ring...they go into another sale ring 100 miles up the road and get sold on again (or of course round the back where nobody can see whats happening).
 
Kenzo said:
''Buy it cheap, turn it round quick, make money. Thats it.
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What is so wrong with this?
Why is it wrong to buy a horse cheaply, "turn it around" presumably into a usefull sort and sell it on to make money?
Im continually astounded that people seem to hate people making money on horses!!''[/QUOTE]

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No, I think you have got the wrong end of the stick.

I personally have no problem at all with this, this post has nothing to do with knocking horse dealers at all, 80% of my ponies and horses in the past while growing up have come from horse dealers and sales etc nothing pleases me more to see a horse bought as a poor looking bargain, tarted up a bit/brought on and sold for good money, it's business I know that, but some of dealers don't half do it badly it's a wonder they actually sell anything at all, that was kinda my point from less fluffy bunny side of things, however personally I'd take pride in what I was selling, I couldn't sell unhappy or unhealthy looking horses.[/QUOTE]
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Totally agree, they should be fit, healthy and happy. Often they arent fit for a reason.
 
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