Sporthorse-data website

[DellaMoon]

I've been trying to find a bit more out about my mares breeding and stumbled across the sporthorse-data website. I registered and did a search for my mare and found her. Also found two pictures that I had taken of her last year that I never uploaded! They are on photo-bucket and I've possibly posted them on here but have no idea how they have got onto the website! They are not the most flattering either, one was to assess her bloated tummy!!! Any ideas how this could have happened? Thank you

 

[DellaMoon]

Sorry, forgot to add the link

http://www.sportpferde.biz/hengstregister/index.php?ppid=6075&zeige=horsesh&pe=2

I also found a picture of her sire at last, after a year of searching!!

http://www.sportpferde.biz/hengstregister/index.php?ppid=6075&zeige=horsesh&pe=2

 

[Violet]

I think someone might have put data in about her sire or dam and also stumbled across the pictures of your mare whilst googling.
If you posted them on photo-bucket and if they are not protected by copyright anyone can use them.
We are a small team of volunteers who put breeding data on the site as long as it can be verified. If you want some other pictures off her on the site or the others taken off please send me a private message and I will sort it out for you.

 

[DellaMoon]

Thank you Violet! She's coming up to her 4th birthday so will be taking more up to date pics very soon and will send them across. Thank you for clearing it up, was just a bit of a surprise!

 

[sywell]

Usual excellent data on a german website. Servit.perferd has some information on the performance test data

 

[Violet]

Will keep my eyes open for the new pictures.

 

[lucydelaroche]

Slightly off topic but still about Sporthorse-data.com

This is a fab website, I have used it for a good while now & I appreciate everyone involved is doing it purely for the love of it . . .

BUT I think I it is a complete retrograde step that now everyone merely wanting to conduct a search or simply view a pedigree has to be registered (a fairly recent development).

Previously I have used links to the site in things such as sales lists, adverts or emails to prospective purchasers. These links now open with a login or register request - so render the link & site totally pointless/useless as a 'quick tool' for conveying a pedigree. Very few people will bother registering just to see one pedigree for a horse they may or may not be interested in purchasing

I'm afraid I am going to have to change allegiances & spend some time uploading all my horses' data into the dreaded 'All Breeds Pedigree' site in order to continue being able to send such immediate access to a horse's data.

Before anyone says anything - I know 'All Breeds' suffers the same flaw as Wikipedia, in that it can be altered by just about anyone & hence is full of inaccuracies. Shame NED wasn't operating as fully intended - it would have offered the solution!

 

[eventrider23]

Have to totally agree with you on that Lucy as I have encountered and been confounded by thsi myself although am registered.

 

[lucydelaroche]

I can totally understand the need for 'registered' users if wishing to input or alter data. I appreciate it's the only way to preserve the site's integrity & data accuracy. But register & login just to view ?! Frustrating

 

[ttt]

Usual excellent data on a german website. Servit.perferd has some information on the performance test data

Could you post the whole web link please?
Many thanks.

 

[KarynK]

All breeds though prone to alteration does offer some really good tools for breeders, either free or at a very low price (you just have to check the ped before you use them!. I know with the similar TB database some horse's details are protected so it might be worth asking all breeds to do the same? These and the Sportshorse database leave NED floundering in the mud!!!!

With a bit of tweaking they might offer a very cost effective solution to the NED fiasco!!

 

[DellaMoon]

Thank you for your help, I find breeding really quite interesting! One last thing I'm trying to find out is about my mare's dam. She's called Primavera, 1997 Hessen. I'd love to find a picture of her but would at least like to know her height. Della's sire was 16.3hh but she seems stuck at 15.2. Would love to know if she's likely to put on a little growth spurt!

 

[Aredis]

Sport Horse Data is a great site. It is not a complete record by any means but I doubt it was ever meant to be. It will however keep expanding as new blood lines are added.

There is a host of recognised sport horse breeding available to research and explore and I for one like that you have to register and do not see how this is seen as a negative. All you need is an email address and a password.

Last year I spent many hours putting the basics of the Cleveland Bay stud book onto sport horse so anyone breeding CBs or part breds should be able to pick up on the ancestry back at least 150 years on the Cleveland side.

As the Cleveland Bay has very close family lines, the test mating facility is a very useful tool to have free access to and displays the percentage of each stallions blood in the ancestry of possible future foals

 

[lucydelaroche]

Aredis - not disputing how useful & interesting a tool 'Sporthorse-data' is to pedigree 'anoraks' such as myself or yourself Well worthwhile registering then!

What I find frustrating is that I can no longer send links that people can simply open & view immediately, as a quick fire source of info. Believe it or not there are people not quite as interested as you & I - they simply don't bother registering to view one pedigree

E.g. It's much easier to simply click the first link below & immediately view a pedigree, rather than the second link (for exactly the same mare!) which demands you register first

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=ymozat&d=coolseskin+river&x=20&y=18

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10634637

Only my opinions & experiences - I have actually had a couple of prospective purchasers say 'that link didn't work' or 'didn't register with that site can you just scan pedigree from the passport please'.

 

[magic104]

Aredis - not disputing how useful & interesting a tool 'Sporthorse-data' is to pedigree 'anoraks' such as myself or yourself Well worthwhile registering then!

What I find frustrating is that I can no longer send links that people can simply open & view immediately, as a quick fire source of info. Believe it or not there are people not quite as interested as you & I - they simply don't bother registering to view one pedigree

E.g. It's much easier to simply click the first link below & immediately view a pedigree, rather than the second link (for exactly the same mare!) which demands you register first

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=ymozat&d=coolseskin+river&x=20&y=18

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10634637

Only my opinions & experiences - I have actually had a couple of prospective purchasers say 'that link didn't work' or 'didn't register with that site can you just scan pedigree from the passport please'.

Send an email to them voicing your concerns, I have never had a problem with getting a reply except when I queried where someone had added breeding to a dam of a mare I owned. I queried it because the stud had the mare Amber & her filly by their stallion to sell as the owner did not pay their bill. They were unable to confirm Amber's breeding except she was most likely a pure welsh cob. Some time after someone added to Ambers breeding & I just wanted to know how they knew this. Because you have to log in the adminstrators are able to contact the persons concerned. I think it is a much better site especially as you can have 3 photos on there and much more detailed info. If something like this had been around even 10yrs ago just think how much more info could of been available, especially photos. It is also great to see photos of stallions offspring & achievements all in one place. I have not as yet had anyone complaine that they could not open the link when I have sent it over to show breeding & photos.

 

[lucydelaroche]

Send an email to them voicing your concerns, I have never had a problem with getting a reply except when I queried where someone had added breeding to a dam of a mare I owned. I queried it because the stud had the mare Amber & her filly by their stallion to sell as the owner did not pay their bill. They were unable to confirm Amber's breeding except she was most likely a pure welsh cob. Some time after someone added to Ambers breeding & I just wanted to know how they knew this. Because you have to log in the adminstrators are able to contact the persons concerned. I think it is a much better site especially as you can have 3 photos on there and much more detailed info. If something like this had been around even 10yrs ago just think how much more info could of been available, especially photos. It is also great to see photos of stallions offspring & achievements all in one place. I have not as yet had anyone complaine that they could not open the link when I have sent it over to show breeding & photos.

Emailed my concerns on the 14 December 2010 & as yet no reply ?!

 

[firm]

I think the "log in" is a good idea if it stops people maybe changing things as much.
I used to use allbreed more than sporthorse but I tried to send someone the pedigree link to a horse I bred and it kept being changed so in the end I just had to scan his pedigree in his passport and send that by email.

 

[lucydelaroche]

Firm - as I previously said, I can totally see the sense in having to be a 'registered user' in order to add or alter any information on the site. But to simply view ?!

Does the BBC insist you 'login' before viewing any of the vast array of information held on their website? Furthermore, as merely a 'viewer' of their site can you access it's inner workings & alter information held therein ? - certainly not without the appropriate level of permission.

Again as stated before - I simply feel this relatively new 'login to view' approach is a retrograde step which severely limits one of Sporthorse-data's previously very useful applications.

 

[firm]

I was just talking in general terms rather than in specific reply to your point, sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[Aredis]

I think the "log in" is a good idea if it stops people maybe changing things as much.
I used to use allbreed more than sporthorse but I tried to send someone the pedigree link to a horse I bred and it kept being changed so in the end I just had to scan his pedigree in his passport and send that by email.

Hi
Unlike Allbreeds I do not think you can just change information on Sport Horse Data. They have a very small number of people who are volunteers who check the site and have editing rights. This is why I trust Sport Horse but would not use Allbreeds.

 

[cruiseline]

Hi
Unlike Allbreeds I do not think you can just change information on Sport Horse Data. They have a very small number of people who are volunteers who check the site and have editing rights. This is why I trust Sport Horse but would not use Allbreeds.

I love Sports Horse Data website and regularly update pedigrees on there and point out ones that are incorrect (there are a few) I would not trust Allbreeds either a vast amount of the information on there is incorrect.

I personally don't have a problem about registration, but I do get your point Lucy regarding sending links to people who are not registered and the fact that they can't see them.

 

[sywell]

Could you post the whole web link please?
Many thanks.

Vit.de
The English version is by the flag in the bottom left hand corner'
The company does the BLUPS for cattle and pigs but horses(pferd) for most of the main German Societies and the FN. Stallion stats for the FN are for 5 progeny

 

[angrovestud]

I use sports horse Data easy to register, and a great way to keep stud records in order being able to see all the mares you have bred and visitors and foals its like having your very own mini society with current breeding records and you can update photos when babies grow up to give your customers an idea how the little ones turn out.

 

[magic104]

I use sports horse Data easy to register, and a great way to keep stud records in order being able to see all the mares you have bred and visitors and foals its like having your very own mini society with current breeding records and you can update photos when babies grow up to give your customers an idea how the little ones turn out.

Exactly, a great tool for the mare owner to see photos of the offspring, more helpful if the dams were included. If the database is still going in 20yrs just think of the knowledge that can be passed on to future breeders & owners.

 

[Aredis]

Hi

The breeders listings are free and you can link all your horses from Sports Horse Data. Just put mine in to try it out.

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/view_kennel.htm?land=all&sel_breed=&sel_category=&ken_id=909

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/view_kennel.htm?land=all&sel_breed=&sel_category=&ken_id=905

 

[criso]

So who enters the data on it? Found mine on there (which I was very happy about) but not sure where they would have got the info from.
He's not on NEDS as he's french, he is on tb database but a brother and sister of his (same dam) appeared at the same time who aren't.
Obviously the info is out there but he has no track record so I wondered why. Flattered though that someone would describe the donkey as a sports horse

 

[magic104]

So who enters the data on it? Found mine on there (which I was very happy about) but not sure where they would have got the info from.
He's not on NEDS as he's french, he is on tb database but a brother and sister of his (same dam) appeared at the same time who aren't.
Obviously the info is out there but he has no track record so I wondered why. Flattered though that someone would describe the donkey as a sports horse

What can happen is someone is filling in details of their own horse & come across info on another by the same stallion or dam so add it while they are there. I know I have added details of siblings after being asked to find info on a horse. Details in these cases come from either Weatherbys, or ISH books, which detail reg nbr, colour etc.

 

[criso]

Or in this case Les haras Nationayx in france. I'm glad they did, I didn't go that far as I would have had to pay to get reports on his dam.
And it's interesting seeing who else they put her to. in one case an anglo arab which makes me think they had sport horses in mind not just racers.

 

[angrovestud]

Aredis is quiet right it has 2 elemnts to it the database and then you can make your own farm/stud and show your stallions and broodmares and then foals which is great as some people do not have a web site.

 

[Irishlife]

I find sporthorse really useful and have added lots of information and horses. I also find them helpful, I wanted to change one of my fillies names as I put a holding name up for her and now she has her full blown passport name which they get at 2 in ISH and they had the change done in 24 hours so well done to them.