Stables in a garden curtailment area

[Patchworkpony]

Is it true that within a garden curtailment we would not need planning permission for stables? Does anyone one know exactly what a garden curtailment means and how much space you would be restricted to? Does a field joined to the garden count as garden curtailment? Has anyone put up a couple of stables in their garden and not been bothered by the dreaded planners. They are AWFUL in our area so prefer not to even put our property on the radar!

 

[*hic*]

Yes, if you can ascertain where the curtilage of your dwelling is, and you abide by the rules, you do not need planning permission. A field attached to your garden is highly unlikely to be within the curtilage of your dwelling. At my last house half the garden was within the curtilage, half was outside, half the yard and the small orchard were officially agricultural.

 

[Patchworkpony]

Thanks jemima*askin - very helpful.

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

Also did you know from past times your house insurance covers your tack.
1 saddle and bridle.

 

[mulledwhine]

Really! That is very good information

 

[Spring Feather]

At one of our old properties in England we built a stable block, hay barns, feed rooms and a tack room within the garden curtilage and without planning permission. The fields did not come under the garden curtilage as they were beyond the maximum deemed ft guidelines. As our village was in the process of having many paddocks and fields being developed for new housing at that time the planners did eventually come round and they did ask, and measure our property, and found that we were totally within our curtilage and that we did not require retrospective planning for any of the horse buildings. I have to say my experience with planners where we lived in England was always positive and even when we wanted to build and extend some of our other stable blocks which were not attached to land with a dwelling, they were very good about advising us and telling us what we could and couldn't build. We had multiple fields, each with stable blocks and driveways/parking areas attached and we made new entrance ways into some of these stable yards with the permission of the planners.

 

[Patchworkpony]

Thanks Spring Feather that is very encouraging. Which part of England did you live in?

 

[Spring Feather]

I lived in a small village in the south of England which was between Newbury, Winchester and Salisbury

 

[Honey08]

Just check very carefully what is actually your curtailidge - we thought about going down this route, and when we looked at the deeds our garden was a lot smaller than it actually is now - bits of our field were added to the garden forty years ago, but only half the garden counts as curtailidge.. On the plus side, just mentioning to planners about building in the garden made them generally more reasonable when it came to where we wanted the stables.. they started saying, "well perhaps if you did x we could pass it.." rather than a straight no!

ps, sure I've spelt it wrong!

 

[Polos Mum]

2 people have done it in my parents village in Buckinghamshire. They are very close to the house but no planning required.
Dig out your house plans and see where the boundries are

 

[LynH]

My next door neighbour has two stables and a tack room in their garden about 10-15m from the house and did not require planning permission. We wanted to build a small yard partially in the field and partially in the garden and were refused permission unless we put it all in the field. We got planning permission for that but I'm still confused about why we couldn't build some of it in the garden under permitted development and get planning permission for the rest.
Now we have the planning permission we are going to go back for clarification on what is classed as curtilege of the house to see if we can get away with building another double garage in the garden as a haybarn rather than in the field as they originally insisted.

 

[Patchworkpony]

We are currently buying a property - I guess the solicitor will be able to tell us the exact curtailment area. It can certainly get very confusing!

 

[ttt]

Yes you can build stables in your garden without planning permission. Just ensure you follow the permitted development guidelines. No building forward of the front elevation of the property, not more than 4 metres high for pitched roof, not allowed to cover more than 50% of the total area of your garden. An adjoining field or paddock is not garden.

 

[Patchworkpony]

That's great information ttt - do you mind me asking how you know this for sure?

 

[lachlanandmarcus]

Yes you can build stables in your garden without planning permission. Just ensure you follow the permitted development guidelines. No building forward of the front elevation of the property, not more than 4 metres high for pitched roof, not allowed to cover more than 50% of the total area of your garden. An adjoining field or paddock is not garden.

Beat in mind that there may be further restrictions if you are in an AONB ,National park, listed building or even a modern one on an estate where permitted development rights have been withdrawn....

the above rules quoted are those for permitted development in gardens where there are permitted development rights.

Do bear in mind that if you take up a lot of your garden with specifically equestrian facilities, it may restrict the market when you come to sell the house, so it's worth trying to build them multi purpose (eg maybe a portal frame where the stable partitions aren't part of the supporting structure and can be removed), it may add as little as 10% to the cost but would be a lot more flexible for a future buyer.

 

[ttt]

That's great information ttt - do you mind me asking how you know this for sure?

Because we built 4 stables and a feed room in our back garden in our previous house and are doing the same in our new house. They are classed as 'outbuildings'

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/outbuildings/

The link gives all the information.

 

[dRats]

Agree with ttt. We also built 4 stables, a tractor bay , stables loo, and haystore, within the curtilage, and only had to get pp for the stables because they were a transplanted 200yo cartlodge and 8ins over the 4m max height. We still have space to go within the 50%, but won't! The planning officer was very helpful over the stables. We also converted the old tennis court within the bounds to a manege, without lights, permitted at the time, but not sure now. Conversion prob allowed, but newbuild?

 

[Patchworkpony]

dRats - that is amazing. How big is your garden?