Stallion Suggestions to improve technique

[Lark]

First of all apologies I feel like a fraud posting a question as I haven't posted in so long (happily lurking ) but as always any help greatly appreciated.
I am looking for stallion suggestions that are proven to add front end technique/front shoulder and elevation in the trot.
The filly is a 3 yr old blood Guidam; 16.2hh.
She is just broken but the plan was always to put her in foal this year once broken.
She is very careful and scopey but having looking at her critically I would like to improve it is the front end technique and possibly the trot (canter is excellent).
Balou du Rouet has come to mind as a good possibility.
Does anyone have any for or against on this or indeed any other suggestions.
The only caveat is that they have to be approved with the IHB.

Thank you

 

[catts]

No Limit at Whorridge Farm Stud (Edward and Clarissa Bleekman).

 

[BallyshanHorses]

Any pics or video of the filly.

 

[Lark]

Any pics or video of the filly.

Sorry Ballyshan I should have been prepared for that one I don't have a vid as yet but can get it done this week. Have a pic as a 2yr old but probably won't tell much of a story.
Hope it works.

 

[Lark]

No Limit at Whorridge Farm Stud (Edward and Clarissa Bleekman).

Apologies Catts for the late response and thank you for the suggestion. I am not familiar with 'No Limit' but having researched him it looks like I should be. He seems to be gaining in popularity. However I don't think he has gone for approval with the IHB

 

[Eothain]

I know you said proven, but you could throw an eye over some videos of Valent jumping. He's a real one!

 

[DRSsporthorses]

Lovely filly.

I agree with Ballyshan, would be best to see some video of her if possible, but that said, I can't really think of many Guidam's that I would consider to be 'poor' in terms of front end technique. I think maybe you are thinking shoulder rotation? When I think Guidam, I don't necessarily think 'square and rotated through the shoulder' technique where the knees come up to the chin, the head way down, and the shoulder rotating back, but more neat and tidy in front where the knees tend to fold tightly together close to the body.

It is my personal belief that most often technique is a product of the dam's technique. Not always to be sure, but I seem to notice that to be the case often enough. Now there are stallions that can improve the shoulder rotation but again...not always. Evaluate the technique of the progeny.

I'm a big fan of No Limit, but then I would think most of the Indoctros tend to be fairly good in front. I have seen few that I would consider sketchy. As well as the Cassini's. And yes, Balou du Rouet is a wonderful stallion no doubt.

The one Irish-based stallion that really jumps to mind is Lancelot. I have seen many of his progeny, mostly in the US, and they all seem to get that square, up to the chin, rotated shoulder front end. I don't think the videos of Lancelot himself do him justice in just how good his technique could really in fact be. Look at videos of Pavarotti, Ramses Boy, Tristan, etc.

Peter Pan is another one that I think would give the rotation as well, and no lack of scope there. Also very proven...take a look at O'Brien. I think both stallions would be beautiful cross with her. Or Air Jordan Z.

Does she really need that much improvement? I don't seem to see anything greatly wrong with her shoulder structure from the few photos you posted. Scope and power behind are really much more important than front end style. I've seen grand prix horses that hung legs left and right and were really not pretty to watch, but were careful and never ever touched a pole and had the power behind to compensate. So it really didn't matter what they did in front if they weren't knocking the jumps down. Those horses compensated for the technique flaw by jumping bigger and higher. Now if you were breeding for an American hunter, than that would be a whole 'nother story. If its a jumper you want, scope and ride-ability, quality of the canter would matter greatly.

Hope this helps.

 

[Lark]

I know you said proven, but you could throw an eye over some videos of Valent jumping. He's a real one!

Ah yes I was looking at him drooling just a couple of weeks ago Do you know how he is temperament wise? I know Hors la Loi was a hot one.
Unfortunately though I am not as brave as you, I tend to the the softer safe road and would ideally have something commercial.
I have a Peppermill to come this year but again that one was me at my bravest

 

[Lark]

DFS thank you very much for the insight and feedback. I will definitely try and get a video to demonstrate the current state of play.
We have really gotten into the nit-picking stages with her and are trying to be as critical as possible; in relation to her own ability I would not concerned.
She is blood in her trot (dare I say a little daisy cutter) although the canter is elevated and compensates. We have literally only loose schooled her twice but the jump looks blood also if that makes sense.
I was 100% committed to using Kannan prior to our evaluation but although I still think he is fantastic, some of the progeny I have seen do have a loose/open front end. As you said DFS this doesn't have any bearing on performance and they all Jump with huge scope.
The bottom line is choosing a stallion that is commercial and will give us the best chance at producing something that's technique would take the eye out of your head
I will take a good long look at all the stallions you have suggested.
Thank you again.

P.S your website is excellent.

 

[shirleyno2]

What about Royal Concorde?
Re front end technique, I always think they neaten up with age, a lot of young 'uns can go body high at 3, 4 and even 5 years, the they suddenly become real smarty pants!

 

[Lark]

What about Royal Concorde?
Re front end technique, I always think they neaten up with age, a lot of young 'uns can go body high at 3, 4 and even 5 years, the they suddenly become real smarty pants!

Thank you Shirley
I think we are very lucky to have Royal Concorde now for sure. Lovely horse and brave with it. Do you know anyone who has used him as yet?

 

[DRSsporthorses]

We are actually planning on using Royal Concorde this season. There aren't a lot of progeny out of him yet, but his dam Trump Carder had good technique and has been producing it overall. So he is a solid candidate as well.

We own Charisma Z, currently in the US who is a cousin to Royal Concorde (dams are full sisters, by Chellano Z) who has the technique I think you are looking for. His brother Clover Flush also jumped that way.

There's a photo of Charisma Z on sporthorse-data.com

 

[Eothain]

From only 20 foals, Royal Concorde already has an International eventer and showjumper. Pretty good hitrate!!!

Valent has an absolutely wonderful temperament. I saw him jumping in Cavan last month and you absolutely wouldn't believe he's a stallion. He's £950. Sterling, not euro and frozen only but I am certainly going to go out of my way to make a mare to him in the near future. Maybe next year, maybe 2013.

He's going to go on and do some very big things