R2R
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Interestingly, the focus is less on turn out and more on manners. Thoughts?
Standards are slipping...RKN in this weeks Horse and Hound.
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runaway
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Good turnout shows manners doesn't it?
I have been taught that to turn your horse out in a tidy manner (believe plaited for lawn meets definately) is a sign of respect to the land owners whose land you cross. To turn out in a slap dash manner, both horse and rider, is not good manners IMHO.
(I feel that a horse with a well pulled mane looks tidier than one with scruffy plaits, so don't object to unplaited manes as a horse can look just as smart. Just a personal opinion.)
Do agree that the "standards" are sliding, just wonder how much this has to do with making hunting more "acceptable"/ accessible and welcoming to the masses?
I have been taught that to turn your horse out in a tidy manner (believe plaited for lawn meets definately) is a sign of respect to the land owners whose land you cross. To turn out in a slap dash manner, both horse and rider, is not good manners IMHO.
(I feel that a horse with a well pulled mane looks tidier than one with scruffy plaits, so don't object to unplaited manes as a horse can look just as smart. Just a personal opinion.)
Do agree that the "standards" are sliding, just wonder how much this has to do with making hunting more "acceptable"/ accessible and welcoming to the masses?
R2R
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I agree with turning out to the best of your ability...re: last para...so you think hunting should be an eletist activity and not accessible to all?
Digger123
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So runaway what you are saying is that standards are slipping because hunting has become more available to the masses.
Frankly I find that insulting.
We,the masses,scrimp and save so we can afford our horses and we do our best to turn our horses and ourselves out to look tidy.
Good turnout does not guarantee good manners
Frankly I find that insulting.
We,the masses,scrimp and save so we can afford our horses and we do our best to turn our horses and ourselves out to look tidy.
Good turnout does not guarantee good manners
rosie fronfelen
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surely good manners cost nothing- on and off the hunting field! good manners should be bred into you no matter what way of life you lead. to go hunting, a neat and tidy turnout,(i.e. groomed horse, either neatly plaited or nicely pulled mane and tail, clean and decent tack- no flowing hair, neat turn out for the rider,) what more can anyone ask?? manners should be automatic- if not possible then said rider should be asked to return home by the master!!
Digger123
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I quite agree with you good manners and being polite cost's nothing.Unfortunately I have met some hunters who are downright rude.Horses were immaculate though..........
MrWoof
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..... manners should be automatic- if not possible then said rider should be asked to return home by the master!!
YES PLEASE Masters. Especially kickers with none or red ribbons, hoolying around in the middle of everyone, causing total mayhem - and those on board not even carrying a beater if "it" does kick.
Also, people carving others up when going into fences, those who cannot gallop in a straight line and turn left or right suddenly without looking behind. Barging through gates and narrow places.
Sorry but I could go on ..... and on ..... and on - as could many others I know.
However, where ARE the "old-fashioned" Masters these days who do actually send bad mannered people and their even more bad mannered horses "home"?
I was sent home as a 10-year old due to total brake failure.
I then had to ring the Master the next Friday evening to ask if I could please go out the next day as the braking situation had been resolved.
Did me no harm whatsoever apart from dented pride.
Just taught me to respect what the Master said.
So - why don't more Masters do it these days??
YES PLEASE Masters. Especially kickers with none or red ribbons, hoolying around in the middle of everyone, causing total mayhem - and those on board not even carrying a beater if "it" does kick.
Also, people carving others up when going into fences, those who cannot gallop in a straight line and turn left or right suddenly without looking behind. Barging through gates and narrow places.
Sorry but I could go on ..... and on ..... and on - as could many others I know.
However, where ARE the "old-fashioned" Masters these days who do actually send bad mannered people and their even more bad mannered horses "home"?
I was sent home as a 10-year old due to total brake failure.
I then had to ring the Master the next Friday evening to ask if I could please go out the next day as the braking situation had been resolved.
Did me no harm whatsoever apart from dented pride.
Just taught me to respect what the Master said.
So - why don't more Masters do it these days??
rosie fronfelen
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this is found in every walk of life! a tramp can have far more respect and manners than say someone in a profession- thats the nature of the human being!
rosie fronfelen
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Mr.Woof, there you go- standards are slipping!! its like the doctors, policemen etc. of today, compared to yesteryear, qualified but nowt else- same as the old masters- have you read Ronnie Wallaces book on hunting, if not do try!!
combat_claire
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As a foot follower I have to agree whole heartedly with digger123. A thank you and a smile for opening a difficult gate or giving directions back to the meet can be all too rare; making sure you haven't blocked a road to other traffic and preferably not cantering up muddy tracks so you splatter the unfortunate foot followers with liquid mud and [****].
The three rudest people I have ever met out hunting were the most immaculate on the hunting field. One rode past me and muttered 'bloody bikes' loud enough for me to hear as he sailed over one of the jumps I had spent a weekend helping to build.
While of the other two - one failed to turn up for her stint of telling or tell anyone she could no longer make it during the election meaning I ended up doing a four hour shift, with nothing but the last person's Daily Mail to read and when my Vote Okay rep had other tasks he needed me to be doing.
The last one came cantering up a muddy track, I went to move further onto the verge to escape the splatter and he yelled 'just stand still'
If I had been very new to hunting and thought that they were representative of hunting people then I can assure you that I wouldn't have been back. So perhaps as well as encouraging correct turnout; maybe we should also be addressing the complete lack of courtesy from individuals.
The three rudest people I have ever met out hunting were the most immaculate on the hunting field. One rode past me and muttered 'bloody bikes' loud enough for me to hear as he sailed over one of the jumps I had spent a weekend helping to build.
While of the other two - one failed to turn up for her stint of telling or tell anyone she could no longer make it during the election meaning I ended up doing a four hour shift, with nothing but the last person's Daily Mail to read and when my Vote Okay rep had other tasks he needed me to be doing.
The last one came cantering up a muddy track, I went to move further onto the verge to escape the splatter and he yelled 'just stand still'
If I had been very new to hunting and thought that they were representative of hunting people then I can assure you that I wouldn't have been back. So perhaps as well as encouraging correct turnout; maybe we should also be addressing the complete lack of courtesy from individuals.
MrWoof
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Mr.Woof, there you go- standards are slipping!!
Vindicated methinks - by none other than RKB Esq himself!
Vindicated methinks - by none other than RKB Esq himself!
Orangehorse
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Yes, there is a lack of good manners in general, but I think that can apply to the whole world.
As for kickers, I was in a bunch of horses out hunting and the girl in front of me was telling everyone that her horse had been in the Grand National, but I was thinking I didn't care if it had jumped the moon, the b.... thing was kicking out at everyone and everything. My horse was just as precious to me as hers was to her (if you can understand my grammar!)
As for kickers, I was in a bunch of horses out hunting and the girl in front of me was telling everyone that her horse had been in the Grand National, but I was thinking I didn't care if it had jumped the moon, the b.... thing was kicking out at everyone and everything. My horse was just as precious to me as hers was to her (if you can understand my grammar!)
Ditchjumper2
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Absolutely!!!! I had a little smile to myself when I read it, after all the furore in here in the last week. However, I do agree with orangehorse that manners, standards and respect are just not what they used to be unfortunately.
natalia
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If you have a kicker, get to the back. End of. I often have to ride horses i don't know out and get the odd kicker which kicks out of the blue so in these cases I sympathise with those who haven't got red ribbons on. If you know your horse kicks though, put a ribbon on and get to the back!
MrWoof
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Our Field Master would have had something to say about those two instances whilst out hunting.
Did you not have a quiet word with yours?
If we are lucky enough to have a FF open and shut a gate for us, we are all very grateful and everyone says thank you - as we do, with an upraised hand, to any "non-hunting" cars we call through.
Did you not have a quiet word with yours?
If we are lucky enough to have a FF open and shut a gate for us, we are all very grateful and everyone says thank you - as we do, with an upraised hand, to any "non-hunting" cars we call through.
runaway
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R2R - not sure how you arrived at thinking what I posted means I think hunting should be elitist??? Accept my choice of term, "masses", is incorrect however.
I can only comment on my local area and what I have experienced and bascially since the ban more people are "hunting" but the standards of turn out have slipped.
I can only comment on my local area and what I have experienced and bascially since the ban more people are "hunting" but the standards of turn out have slipped.
runaway
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digger123 - as per my response to R2R. But yes I have to say what I have seen indicates that turn out standards have slipped. I very rarely hunt mounted due to the cost so I do know what it takes to save up. I am sorry that you have taken my response so personally, it is not aimed at any one person, just an observation of my local area. I totally agree that turnout does not guarantee good manners however I feel that scruffy ponies/horses, riders with bright coloured silks or wearing bright coats are IMHO not acceptable.
When I was a younster I experienced bad manners within the hunting field that has stayed with me and which I struggle to put aside now. I used to go out in a boys sports jacket, my dad in his as we couldn't afford the "right" attire. We were smart, clean and polite. Most people did not say hello to us as we were not "regulars" or dressed as one might expect! I got shoved off headlands by regulars, "achieving the correct standard of dress", on uncontrollable horses without a word of apology.
I have however been brought up to believe that I should make every effort to dress appropriately for what ever activity - on hound exercise I wear shirt and tie - as a sign of respect to landowners/masters and for safety.
I apologise to any one who was offended by my poor choice of words in my first post.
When I was a younster I experienced bad manners within the hunting field that has stayed with me and which I struggle to put aside now. I used to go out in a boys sports jacket, my dad in his as we couldn't afford the "right" attire. We were smart, clean and polite. Most people did not say hello to us as we were not "regulars" or dressed as one might expect! I got shoved off headlands by regulars, "achieving the correct standard of dress", on uncontrollable horses without a word of apology.
I have however been brought up to believe that I should make every effort to dress appropriately for what ever activity - on hound exercise I wear shirt and tie - as a sign of respect to landowners/masters and for safety.
I apologise to any one who was offended by my poor choice of words in my first post.
combat_claire
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Can I suggest that your hunt are encouraged to have a Hunting Seminar in some way shape or form.
We had one 2 seasons ago, everyone had to attend whether they hunted on foot or on a horse; whether they had been hunting since Henry VIII was on the throne or whether they had only just started. It was one session followed by drinks and nibbles, that ran in various slots to make sure everyone had a chance to attend.
We were taken through the basics of post-ban hunting and what the field should be doing, turnout, what should be carried, how a hunt country runs. Then there was a chance to ask any questions that had been niggling.
It also gave a chance to bridge the gap between footies and mounted. For example many of us never knew how dangerous it was to open a gate next to a jump, we thought we were being helpful for the non-jumpers.
We had one 2 seasons ago, everyone had to attend whether they hunted on foot or on a horse; whether they had been hunting since Henry VIII was on the throne or whether they had only just started. It was one session followed by drinks and nibbles, that ran in various slots to make sure everyone had a chance to attend.
We were taken through the basics of post-ban hunting and what the field should be doing, turnout, what should be carried, how a hunt country runs. Then there was a chance to ask any questions that had been niggling.
It also gave a chance to bridge the gap between footies and mounted. For example many of us never knew how dangerous it was to open a gate next to a jump, we thought we were being helpful for the non-jumpers.
combat_claire
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Thankfully those folk are the exception not the rule so I can just brush it off and laugh at their pomposity. Indeed I'd forgotten about the incidents until this thread came up.
Horses do seem to be a great leveller, you just never know when you might need a footie to catch the ned, leg you back on board or offer fortifying liquor.....
Horses do seem to be a great leveller, you just never know when you might need a footie to catch the ned, leg you back on board or offer fortifying liquor.....
runaway
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Dare I post again??????? tentatively sticks head out........
Have just re read the question, sorry trying to multi task!!!! Usually quite good at it!
This is only my opinion (everyone can have one can't they?)
I would rather see a polite person on a clean horse in tidy and sensible riding attire than a rude person dressed in traditional hunting attire.
Should I shut up now??? think I better.....
Have just re read the question, sorry trying to multi task!!!! Usually quite good at it!
This is only my opinion (everyone can have one can't they?)
I would rather see a polite person on a clean horse in tidy and sensible riding attire than a rude person dressed in traditional hunting attire.
Should I shut up now??? think I better.....