Standing martingale

[candrews]

Hi, I took my ID/TB x on a coss country ride on thrusday and had very few brakes despite riding in a pelham (i normally hack in a snaffle)

The problem is she puts her head either very high in the air or sticks her kneck out low and long to evade the pressure.

I have a running martingale which seems to be doing nothing and I will try and make it shorter but I wondered about using a standing one which i have never done before. The problem is the jumping as I don't believe one is supposed to jump with a SM.

Has anyone done this or got any alternative suggestions?

Thanks

 

[flyingfeet]

Back in the day people have won Badminton with a standing martingale on

I really like the style DieselDog has with elastic before the dead stop.

 

[peterthepony]

TBH i think as long as the standing isn't to tight, and you can get the ones with elastic attatched to them then yes you will be fine jumping in them.

 

[Morrigan_Lady]

Only personal pref, but I hate standing martingales!

Why not try a market harborough?

 

[samp]

I do not think market harboroughs are allowed at XC?

 

[AmyMay]

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I do not think market harboroughs are allowed at XC?

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They are most definately are not!

 

[Morrigan_Lady]

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I do not think market harboroughs are allowed at XC?

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They are most definately are not!

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Didnt know she wanted it for xc, but you can complete sj with a MH on.

 

[PapaFrita]

I jump Antifaz in a standing martingale with absolutely no probs. Lots of people here do.
A standing martingale with elastic sounds like a good idea.

 

[rrose]

you can jump in them no problem. but i would never use one to do that. but its all down to personal preferance

 

[princesskelly]

i jump in standing martingale. need to see where i'm going without having a great big head stuck in my way! aslo have a lot more control without having to put stronger bit in.

 

[helenandshadow]

I personally wouldn't jump in a standing martingale. I tried my mare in a pelham and she did the same thing, now I have her in a dutch gag and she is much better, she just hated the action of the pelham.

 

[Emma27]

all the american showjumping programs show people jumping in standing martingales and it always makes me cringe, i was always taught that you should never jump in one, i think standing martingales should only be used as a last resort and only by poeple who know what they are doing when it comes to fitting, but that is only my personal pref because i hate them!!

 

[Morrigan_Lady]

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all the american showjumping programs show people jumping in standing martingales and it always makes me cringe, i was always taught that you should never jump in one, i think standing martingales should only be used as a last resort and only by poeple who know what they are doing when it comes to fitting, but that is only my personal pref because i hate them!!

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Feel the same!

You also see alot of kids at shows charging round of their ponies in a standing martingale, maybe they should learn to ride b4 dressing their poines up in gadgets!!

 

[lucemoose]

I jump my horse in a standing, I used to think it was the lowest of the low but have now come to the conclusion I like my nose attached to my face. He has been checked out, in a snaffle and through nothing other than sheer excitement and pschycoticness likes to giraffe most of his way around a course.

 

[MagicMelon]

I personally wouldn never use a SM for jumping as I like my horse to have complete freedom of his neck to really stretch if he needs to. I believe you are allowed to jump in them though? IM pretty sure you are for BSJA.

But then I hate normal martingales too, I never use them even if people tell me I should! I tried one once on a horse with a very high head but it just made her more worked up.

 

[Emma27]

Hmm my opinion is that SM`s restrict natural movement if the head and neck and that using one whilst jumping is to restrict natural stretching out over fences, i know i wouldn`t like to try and jump over something with a leather strap holding my head down,IMO if someone feels the need to use one maybe they should take the horse back to basics and try to solve it using good old fashioned schooling rather than using every piece of leather you can buy in the shop, im not picking a fight with anyone ,its just that i hate to see horses and ponies strapped up with so much leather and buckles that they look like something from an X-rated film.

 

[flyingfeet]

Oh please people!

Its deeply unfashionable to use a standing martingale.

Shock horror that one might dream of use one on a pony - let the little kiddies get smacked in the face by the ponies... that'll learn them!!!

However one correctly adjusted is going to make naf all difference to your horse if it is a) correct fitted and b) You aren't jumping 4ft+

This is one of the oldest control methods for a horse - even turbans have been used to make simple tie downs. Without an ill adjusted neck strap, they let the horse stretch down, because it pivots round the girth.

The fact that you don't see it on top bods when they are competing (see above point about 4ft+) means that like a herd of sheep the equestrian community should deem them as being objects of the devil (the pessoa tool is soooo much an example of this fashion driven idle)

 

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seconds cotswoldSJ!

 

[flower]

I used to jump my old horse in a standing martingale with the elastic insert and we jumped up to Foxhunter classes with no problem.

As well as the traditional standing martingales with elastic insert, you can also get the attachment that clips onto a breastplate that has elastic in it.

 

[Theresa_F]

Years ago I had one on my arab - it was either that or come home with your face covered in blood.

I quite happily used to jump 4' on her - it was adjusted enough to keep me without a squashed face and she never had any problems. She was a very excitable sort and naturally high in her head carriage.

Have also used a Market Harborough and have completed XC and SJ up to 3' at local level - again carefully adjusted and at that height my TBs had no problems with restrictions. I also for a time used the standing on my first TB until she stopped snatching her head up and back then went on to use the MH.

Have to agree with Cotswolds comment - years ago they were common place and now they seem to be shunned.

Correctly adjusted and used they are a very useful piece of equipment. The only horse I would not use them on is a confirmed up and over rearer.

I also found them better with a sensitive horse as is attached to the noseband and not like the running, attached to the reins and ultimately the bit.

 

[lucemoose]

Sorry Theresa_F, QR!!
I dont like getting grotty looks at BSJA with my martingale and this thread has irritated me! There is a lot of talk of how they interfere with horses natural jump action, and a horses natural jump is to bascule with head and neck low and forward, the only way a martingale will come into play is if the horse jumps like a stag upwards and forwards.
At least martingale is attached to nose rather than RM attached to reins and jerking on the but.