baleofhay
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Anyone used this stallion.? Do you know if he is homo whatever the word is??? ( you know! , only produces coloured foals)
Stanhopes Diddeycoy
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eventrider23
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He is definitely not homozygous....actually produces rather a lot of solid coloured foals. Are you think of using him next year?
If you are looking for a homozygous coloured stallion 2 VERY nice ones are:
Goshka Ringo - sire of the newly graded stallion Amour G (owned by Bananaman here on HHO) as well as a load of other awesome stock. Can see him at: www.goshka.co.uk
Sempers Spirit - gorgeous yound CHAPS graded stallion who is eventing from next season. His first 2 crops of foals have all been stunning and exquisitely marked. Can see him at: www.unitedcolouredstud.com
another homozygous boyo is Tom Tom (What's Colour is his other name). I don't know his web address tho but his owner is sometimes on here and so they may pop in and help out if you are interested in him.
If you are looking for a homozygous coloured stallion 2 VERY nice ones are:
Goshka Ringo - sire of the newly graded stallion Amour G (owned by Bananaman here on HHO) as well as a load of other awesome stock. Can see him at: www.goshka.co.uk
Sempers Spirit - gorgeous yound CHAPS graded stallion who is eventing from next season. His first 2 crops of foals have all been stunning and exquisitely marked. Can see him at: www.unitedcolouredstud.com
another homozygous boyo is Tom Tom (What's Colour is his other name). I don't know his web address tho but his owner is sometimes on here and so they may pop in and help out if you are interested in him.
volatis
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I have a Diddicoy granddaughter - a superb mare, and a really good broodmare. Seen plenty of Diddiycoy's out eventing round here, normally with amateur riders. I would only use him on a blood type mare with very good limbs though
I've used Ringo a few times, the oldest are 3yos and have a super work ethic. The three we took to the futurity this year, the 2yo and 3yo got first premiums and the foal got a high 2nd premium. Again I'd use him on a blood type mare with good front legs
Sempers Spirit I have 2 mares in foal to, both due in May.
I've used Ringo a few times, the oldest are 3yos and have a super work ethic. The three we took to the futurity this year, the 2yo and 3yo got first premiums and the foal got a high 2nd premium. Again I'd use him on a blood type mare with good front legs
Sempers Spirit I have 2 mares in foal to, both due in May.
HLB
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i Breed a coloured mare (who was by a coloured stallion out of a bay mare that was out of a chestnut mare so lots of help for the coloured bit) to Didycoy and what did i get
A B***DY BLACK foal, beautiful but BLACK!
she didnt move wonderfully and to be totally criticul she was a bit plan in her overall paces. i bred the mare a following year to a TB BAY stallion and got a COLOURED filly that im keeping as she is the bee's knee's!! and move - does it move.
im not a didicoy person much anymore - but thats me
A B***DY BLACK foal, beautiful but BLACK!
she didnt move wonderfully and to be totally criticul she was a bit plan in her overall paces. i bred the mare a following year to a TB BAY stallion and got a COLOURED filly that im keeping as she is the bee's knee's!! and move - does it move.
im not a didicoy person much anymore - but thats me
fairyclare
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I put my mare to Stanhopes Diddicoy last season, we gave it 3 attempts but she didn't take
Whilst she was at stud i heard some very mixed things about his offspring but he always seemed very laid back whenever i went to vist my mare, he is a lovely chap.
Whilst she was at stud i heard some very mixed things about his offspring but he always seemed very laid back whenever i went to vist my mare, he is a lovely chap.
juliehannah58
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If it's coloured you want, Eventrider has put forward some good suggestions.
All of the stock of his I have seen or met hasn't floated my boat at all, and a couple of them had terrible temperaments!
I think his offspring results have been very hit and miss. For your money, personally, I'd look elsewhere...
All of the stock of his I have seen or met hasn't floated my boat at all, and a couple of them had terrible temperaments!
I think his offspring results have been very hit and miss. For your money, personally, I'd look elsewhere...
eventrider23
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I second the temperament comment.....
Maesfen
Extremely Old Nag!
He doesn't fill me with lust and I'll third the temperament thing!
The two I've known have been nasty not just awkward and both (out of very good tempered mares) with what you'd call very good caring professional homes so heaven knows what they'd have been like with novice owners.
The two I've known have been nasty not just awkward and both (out of very good tempered mares) with what you'd call very good caring professional homes so heaven knows what they'd have been like with novice owners.
PrincessDana
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I like Diddicoy but none of the offspring i've seen by him have really done it for me. A coloured stallion i would like to use is Phanten, dont think he's homozygous but every coloured baby i have seen by him has been beautiful.
cruiseline
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I would second your choice of Phanten and I have used him.
The foal was lovely, a coloured (blue and white) colt out of a grey mare, unfortunately I got an offer I couldn't refuse on him so sold him as a yearling (I wish I hadn't now)
His is one I will again use in the future
Edited to say he is not homozygous, but has seemed to produce a lot of coloured foals from solid mares.
The foal was lovely, a coloured (blue and white) colt out of a grey mare, unfortunately I got an offer I couldn't refuse on him so sold him as a yearling (I wish I hadn't now)
His is one I will again use in the future
Edited to say he is not homozygous, but has seemed to produce a lot of coloured foals from solid mares.
cmg
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I have used Phanten too, twice, and think he is marvellous. He has been sold to and is now showjumping and standing in Ireland, although I expect his past owner Jill Webb (Shovern Stud) may still have frozen semen.
I got a dark bay tobiano colt from a 17hh chestnut tobiano WBxTB mare (by Mars out of a bay TB mare) and a solid dark bay colt out of a 16.3hh solid dark bay pure TB mare (neither mare nor foal had a scrap of white on them). Both foals were strong and tall at birth, and have grown on well; as two year olds, they are strapping to say the least. The colt out of the TB is very TB in looks/type, now at 16.3hh, and destined to event; the colt out of the WBxTB mare is very WB, on his way past 17hh, and built like a showjumper.
I went to watch Phanten jump before I made my mind up, and was most impressed by his light but powerful movement, and the way he floated into, over and away from every fence, rather than being booted in, rearing and flinging himself over, and then gallumphing away. The two I've bred are similarly light over the ground, with plenty of engagement from behind, good balance within the paces, and both have (annoyingly!) been able to demonstrate an ability to jump from very early on!
Phanten is by no means a common sort, but I think, looking at my boys, I would probably only put him on a TB, or a 3/4 TB. If I was putting him onto a mare with a greater % of WB or pure WB, it would have to be, for me anyway, a very slimline/elegant type.
As for temperament, my plain colt is very independent, to the point of being an arrogant know-it-all, and the coloured one is a real mummy's boy, with a slightly obstinate streak. I know two half brothers already under saddle, one of which is bright, talented and great fun with a degree of obstinacy; the other is as thick as two short planks, but very beautiful!
As for Diddicoy children, I'm afraid I've only ever heard of them as being rather lunatic or obnoxious!
I got a dark bay tobiano colt from a 17hh chestnut tobiano WBxTB mare (by Mars out of a bay TB mare) and a solid dark bay colt out of a 16.3hh solid dark bay pure TB mare (neither mare nor foal had a scrap of white on them). Both foals were strong and tall at birth, and have grown on well; as two year olds, they are strapping to say the least. The colt out of the TB is very TB in looks/type, now at 16.3hh, and destined to event; the colt out of the WBxTB mare is very WB, on his way past 17hh, and built like a showjumper.
I went to watch Phanten jump before I made my mind up, and was most impressed by his light but powerful movement, and the way he floated into, over and away from every fence, rather than being booted in, rearing and flinging himself over, and then gallumphing away. The two I've bred are similarly light over the ground, with plenty of engagement from behind, good balance within the paces, and both have (annoyingly!) been able to demonstrate an ability to jump from very early on!
Phanten is by no means a common sort, but I think, looking at my boys, I would probably only put him on a TB, or a 3/4 TB. If I was putting him onto a mare with a greater % of WB or pure WB, it would have to be, for me anyway, a very slimline/elegant type.
As for temperament, my plain colt is very independent, to the point of being an arrogant know-it-all, and the coloured one is a real mummy's boy, with a slightly obstinate streak. I know two half brothers already under saddle, one of which is bright, talented and great fun with a degree of obstinacy; the other is as thick as two short planks, but very beautiful!
As for Diddicoy children, I'm afraid I've only ever heard of them as being rather lunatic or obnoxious!
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a girl on the yard struggled to get her mare in foal to diddycoy, not helped by the quality of the first couple of doses of semen when it turned up, then the stud being less than helpful ending up in her having to drive an 8 hour round trip herself to collect the equitainer before the mare ovulated! and she had to sit there for 3 hours when she got there waiting for them to collect. she didnt get a foal in the end, cant put the mare back, so a load of hassle all for nothing!
might have just been a one off, but just makes you think.
might have just been a one off, but just makes you think.
PalominoMare
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oh gosh i'm so glad i saw this thread!
i had pretty much decided on a stallion and then i saw diddycoy on another forum and put him at the top of my list after hearing great things there. Ive been totally put off now (in a good way
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i had pretty much decided on a stallion and then i saw diddycoy on another forum and put him at the top of my list after hearing great things there. Ive been totally put off now (in a good way
htobago
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I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for Diddicoy here! Don't get me wrong - it's fine for people who have first-hand experience of his foals to be honest about their shortcomings, but I get a bit worried by the sort of 'I've heard that...' comments - and it sounds as though he's thrown some good stock as well as the less good. And one really has to know the quality and temperament of the mares as well - stallions always get the blame for everything, but they only contribute half the genes!
I have absolutely no connection whatsoever with this stallion - have just vaguely heard the name before - and it may be that he is not a good sire, but I would just urge people to see him and his stock for themselves (ideally stock from mares of a similar stamp to their own mares) before jumping to conclusions based on just a few adverse comments on a forum. If he has sired a lot of foals, from a lot of mares of varying quality and temperament, it is inevitable that some will be less good. The experiences of a few people on here may be unrepresentative.
Sorry - none of my business, but I just don't like to see any stallion totally dismissed on the basis of a few negative comments.
I have absolutely no connection whatsoever with this stallion - have just vaguely heard the name before - and it may be that he is not a good sire, but I would just urge people to see him and his stock for themselves (ideally stock from mares of a similar stamp to their own mares) before jumping to conclusions based on just a few adverse comments on a forum. If he has sired a lot of foals, from a lot of mares of varying quality and temperament, it is inevitable that some will be less good. The experiences of a few people on here may be unrepresentative.
Sorry - none of my business, but I just don't like to see any stallion totally dismissed on the basis of a few negative comments.
SunSmile
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I sent my mare to Diddicoy and she didnt take after 3 attempts, which i am now grateful for! I too heard things about offspring temperament and movement and as my mare neither moves that well and can be a neurotic ratbag and knowing my luck, i have since decided that an empty mare was better than what i could of ended up with!
Saying that i was always impressed whenever i saw Diddicoy and my dad fell in love with him!
Also some of his stock that i have seen such as Stanhopes Dueca, (i think thats its name - won at HOYS in the coloureds?!) I have absolutley fallen in love with and a lot of his stock have done well eventing as well, so i guess as with any breeding it is hit and miss!!
Saying that i was always impressed whenever i saw Diddicoy and my dad fell in love with him!
Also some of his stock that i have seen such as Stanhopes Dueca, (i think thats its name - won at HOYS in the coloureds?!) I have absolutley fallen in love with and a lot of his stock have done well eventing as well, so i guess as with any breeding it is hit and miss!!
PalominoMare
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I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for Diddicoy here! Don't get me wrong - it's fine for people who have first-hand experience of his foals to be honest about their shortcomings, but I get a bit worried by the sort of 'I've heard that...' comments - and it sounds as though he's thrown some good stock as well as the less good. And one really has to know the quality and temperament of the mares as well - stallions always get the blame for everything, but they only contribute half the genes!
I have absolutely no connection whatsoever with this stallion - have just vaguely heard the name before - and it may be that he is not a good sire, but I would just urge people to see him and his stock for themselves (ideally stock from mares of a similar stamp to their own mares) before jumping to conclusions based on just a few adverse comments on a forum. If he has sired a lot of foals, from a lot of mares of varying quality and temperament, it is inevitable that some will be less good. The experiences of a few people on here may be unrepresentative.
Sorry - none of my business, but I just don't like to see any stallion totally dismissed on the basis of a few negative comments.
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no i think you do make a good point and what i said was maybe unfair but i do know when to take feedback with a pinch of salt and dont think this is one of those occasions nor do i feel that anyone has jumped on the anti-diddycoy bandwagon
theres also been feedback on the quality of service from the stud not just the stallion and for a first time breeder, when theres so many potential sire's out there, i'd rather not take any chances.
I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for Diddicoy here! Don't get me wrong - it's fine for people who have first-hand experience of his foals to be honest about their shortcomings, but I get a bit worried by the sort of 'I've heard that...' comments - and it sounds as though he's thrown some good stock as well as the less good. And one really has to know the quality and temperament of the mares as well - stallions always get the blame for everything, but they only contribute half the genes!
I have absolutely no connection whatsoever with this stallion - have just vaguely heard the name before - and it may be that he is not a good sire, but I would just urge people to see him and his stock for themselves (ideally stock from mares of a similar stamp to their own mares) before jumping to conclusions based on just a few adverse comments on a forum. If he has sired a lot of foals, from a lot of mares of varying quality and temperament, it is inevitable that some will be less good. The experiences of a few people on here may be unrepresentative.
Sorry - none of my business, but I just don't like to see any stallion totally dismissed on the basis of a few negative comments.
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no i think you do make a good point and what i said was maybe unfair but i do know when to take feedback with a pinch of salt and dont think this is one of those occasions nor do i feel that anyone has jumped on the anti-diddycoy bandwagon
theres also been feedback on the quality of service from the stud not just the stallion and for a first time breeder, when theres so many potential sire's out there, i'd rather not take any chances.
eventrider23
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OK - I would say that yes he has had some top youngsters however, if a coloured stallion is what you are looking for then there are better out there nowadays. When he first came to the forefront of breeding, there were very few or no decent coloured stallions and he changed that. That said, there are now plenty of others out there who are better.
On the subject of the stud. I could not praise Hobgoblins more. Our mare had 1st class service and we could not complain in any way shape or form and in fact the communications between them and us were so good that we've never seen better. I would say that the issues were 'freak' occurences as I have never heard anything like that about them before.
On the subject of the stud. I could not praise Hobgoblins more. Our mare had 1st class service and we could not complain in any way shape or form and in fact the communications between them and us were so good that we've never seen better. I would say that the issues were 'freak' occurences as I have never heard anything like that about them before.
birchave0
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Back in 2005 we used Diddicoy via AI for our TB mare, I had set my heart on using him after seeing Paddy Muir's young event horse who was by him. Colour was never an issue as I knew he wasn't homozygus. (sp)
As it was my first attempt at breeding it was an expensive lesson, three unsuccessful attempts at the AI, a fortune in vet's bills for the AI, scanning, etc and no foal. Our last attempt was in June/July, the stud asked for conformation from the vet that the mare was not in foal and sent us a cheque for £180.....(refund)
The original fee was £550 plus the hire of the flasks/their vet fees
It was not about the money, it just seemed to me that 3 goes and you are out. They were not interested in trying again. The vet did comment that when the semen arrived in the flask the first time there was hardly any there. I have since spoken to people who have also struggled to get their mares in foal by him as well.
So instead of a Diddicoy Baby I now have a half a cob
Courtesy of the gypsy cob up the road for a £100 and I wouldn't swop her for the world
However a friend has a 5 year old mare by him who I love, she is very sweet and not nasty at all.
As it was my first attempt at breeding it was an expensive lesson, three unsuccessful attempts at the AI, a fortune in vet's bills for the AI, scanning, etc and no foal. Our last attempt was in June/July, the stud asked for conformation from the vet that the mare was not in foal and sent us a cheque for £180.....(refund)
The original fee was £550 plus the hire of the flasks/their vet fees
It was not about the money, it just seemed to me that 3 goes and you are out. They were not interested in trying again. The vet did comment that when the semen arrived in the flask the first time there was hardly any there. I have since spoken to people who have also struggled to get their mares in foal by him as well.
So instead of a Diddicoy Baby I now have a half a cob
Courtesy of the gypsy cob up the road for a £100 and I wouldn't swop her for the world
However a friend has a 5 year old mare by him who I love, she is very sweet and not nasty at all.
koeffee
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he is getting on a bit now and he has got some decent progeny on the ground, also 2 graded stallions. guess you just need the right combination but its a chance you take.
volatis
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Well said HTobago. I have seen lots of Diddicoy offspring safely packing their amateur owners round PN and Novice tracks, and of course the Matt Ryan ones doing slightly bigger things!
And hobgoblins have always had an excellent reputation so i am very surprised to read such negative things about their service.
And hobgoblins have always had an excellent reputation so i am very surprised to read such negative things about their service.
Fahrenheit
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i Breed a coloured mare (who was by a coloured stallion out of a bay mare that was out of a chestnut mare so lots of help for the coloured bit) to Didycoy and what did i get
A B***DY BLACK foal, beautiful but BLACK!
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Well that was always going to be a possibility lol... its called sods law
as your mare is hetrozygous for colour and so is SD... means that both crossed to a solid would only have a 50% chance of throwing a coloured and crossed to each other the odd of a coloured foal are increased to 75%... its one of those things, unfortunately the only way to guarantee a coloured foal is to use a homozygous parent
I used Masterpiece on 2 solid mares last year and had one coloured and one solid foal this year... love both!
I also used Georgeo II on 2 solid mares last year and they had one coloured and one solid foal this year!
I feel pretty lucky to have hit the average chances of 50/50
i Breed a coloured mare (who was by a coloured stallion out of a bay mare that was out of a chestnut mare so lots of help for the coloured bit) to Didycoy and what did i get
A B***DY BLACK foal, beautiful but BLACK!
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Well that was always going to be a possibility lol... its called sods law
I used Masterpiece on 2 solid mares last year and had one coloured and one solid foal this year... love both!
I also used Georgeo II on 2 solid mares last year and they had one coloured and one solid foal this year!
I feel pretty lucky to have hit the average chances of 50/50
Rollin
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I don't know anything about this stallion but feel I must comment on AI. Two years ago I sent two mares for AI - semen from two different stallions no foal and loads of bills at the end. One mare had silent seasons they missed her!! They found a straw they didn't know they had after the mare had come home.
It put me off AI forever. Last year I sent two mares for natural covering. One foal only. The other mare contracted two viruses and at some time sustained an injury. Six month of osteopathy and gentle physio she is like her old self.
I have just bought my own stallion!!!
It put me off AI forever. Last year I sent two mares for natural covering. One foal only. The other mare contracted two viruses and at some time sustained an injury. Six month of osteopathy and gentle physio she is like her old self.
I have just bought my own stallion!!!
koeffee
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rollin you did what i did!!!! after my two mares came back from the stallion this year both empty, one was lame the other had a kick on her face, never again, my stallion is a gem and the mares love him from a far, cant wait for spring