Started Rolling - Help!!

CBJack

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I have a Welsh Section D gelding, who has just turned 7. I rescued him as a 3 year old so he has always been difficult to ride. He has also had several injuries from his bad start which over the years I have fixed. Typical behaviour for him when ridden (either pain related or just general naughtiness) is to slow down and then rear and run backwards into anything at all. The rears are small and easy to sit too. He is also easy to stop this if I just drop contact, sit still for a second and then ask again. It is like he just loses his mind for a second but then calms and is OK. If someone was on the floor he would never act up and would happily walk, trot, canter all day long.

In September, I decided to give him a few months off from ridden work although he was still lunged and long reined. and over the winter he completely changed. He grew up, calmed down and matured a lot. When the vet and the physio saw him in February they both agreed he was like a different pony. Less agitated and relaxed. Much stronger etc.

So in March I decided to bring him back into work. I had his saddle checked and then got on him. For 3-4 weeks he was like a changed horse, collected, relaxed and calm. I even started back with my lessons.

Then about 2 months ago, when walking around the arena, I asked for trot and he started stamping and pawing aggressively. I stopped, dropped contact as normal, waited and then asked again. He walked half the arena but then did the same again. I got off in case he was hurting but couldn't see anything.

I tried again a week later, the same again although he would move (grumpily) if following someone on foot.

A week later, we managed a couple of laps before this time he actually rolled over, there was no stopping him.

I tried a couple more times but then he started trying to roll even on concrete and I fell off and hurt myself badly.

A month later and today I tried to get back on for the first time since falling off. I lunged him first and he was trying to roll but I could pull him up and stop him. I then got on him and had someone that he trusts on the floor. I had no contact at all. He wouldn't even out one foot forward without rolling. Even rolling towards the person on the floor and she couldn't pull him up.

This is all happening in walk. He is stronger and fitter than ever, has no signs of lameness, heat or sweating anywhere and will happily move around the field/yard like a lunatic.His saddle and teeth have been checked.

Does anyone have any ideas why this could be or how to stop it? The more I try and pull him up, move him forward etc he just drops quicker. He si not stressed when being tacked up or anything.
 
He is a very difficult horse to hack due to his behaviour but last time I tried it was round our yard and fields (it is a big yard) and that was when he rolled on the concrete. He tried to pull my to grass to do it but I wouldn't let him so he tried to roll on the concrete. I pulled him up and kicked him but he started rearing and so I got off (there was some farm machinery nearby that he was backing towards). As I released the pressure to get off and leant forward he dropped on the concrete and I came off.

He will do it with other horses around too.
 
Hi CBJack. Is this the same horse you have posted about previously with a serious neck injury, a spine problem and which had previously been retired due to on going medical issues?
 
Yes I have posted on here a while ago about his injuries due to his behaviour at the time. He had to have tie back surgery to help his breathing - this has no impact on him at all anymore. He has problems with his joint in his forelimbs. However with corrective shoeing they have improved dramatically. The worst injury is damage to the nuchal ligament by his poll. This is hardening and can make it difficult for him to do certain activities. He cannot jump or do intense schooling. However he is able to be lightly ridden. I only ever ride for max 20 mins once/twice a week. Walking and trotting only and I do not have any contact, he is ridden completely by the leg and seat and usually loves it.

He has shown no signs of recurring pain of these injuries in a long time. I considered retiring him in September but then due to the complete change in him including when handled and worked, and advice of a few professionals I decided to bring him back into work.

I am going to call my vet this week obviously as I want to know what is going on. as this is completely out of character. He never expresses himself this way. It is always rearing and panic. This is so calm, he is not stressed or panicked or uncontrollable. But I would be interested if anyone had any advice for the complete change and why rolling?
 
For me he is clearly telling you that he is in pain - just because he has adopted a different way of expressing himself doesn't change the fundamental facts.
 
The reason I asked the qu if it was the same horse is because we had one at our yard whose pain response was to lie down with rider on. Given the horse's history I would certainly think it could unfortunately be a pain response.
 
Lévrier;13560139 said:
For me he is clearly telling you that he is in pain - just because he has adopted a different way of expressing himself doesn't change the fundamental facts.

From reading the previous history, I couldn't agree more. He has resorted to doing the one thing that he knows will guarantee you dismounting :(.
 
Thank you everyone. This is what I think too sadly. I was just hoping for maybe any other alternative.

I will see what the vet says but if it is anything physical this will definitely be it for his ridden career. He will be a very pampered, retired pony
 
I will see what the vet says but if it is anything physical this will definitely be it for his ridden career. He will be a very pampered, retired pony

It sounds like he had a rough old time before he met you poor lad, well done you for sticking by him!
 
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