Statistics of the Sports Horse Worldwide

[Anastasia]

OK, am only going on the WBFSH horse rankings for the month of July..however:

In Dressage (looking at the top 132 horses):
KWPN = 38
Hann = 26
DWB = 12
Old = 12
Unknown = 9
PRE/Lust = 8
Trak = 5
West = 5
SWB = 5
Holst = 4

In showjumping (looking at top 132 horses):
KWPN = 30
SF = 24
Holst = 19
BWP (excl Zangersheide) = 15
West = 9
Hann = 7
Old = 6

Now if we take some of the figures above:

So for the KWPN:
Combined horses from above is 68 horses.
They breed on average 15,000 foals each year (give or take

).
So that means that only 0.45% of the horses ever bred by the KWPN are currently good enough to make it into the top 132 in either discipline.

I am not sure what the total breeding figures of foals bred for each organisation above are, I am presuming that the Hannoverians are along the same lines of numbers. But even if the Hannoverians were only producing 7,500 foals a year, they too would only be averaging around 0.45% of all their foals produced being at a world class level.

So basically if you were a KWPN or Hann breeder (two of the largest Studbooks in the world), you only have a 0.5% (and I have rounded up the figure), of your horse every making World Class (aka Olympic) level, and that only happens if they get into the right hands...

I know that this is only the first 6 months of the year, but it is still an indication. I can easily do the same when we get up to the December figures as a comparison.

Wonder what happens to the other 99.5% of the horses for each breed association..

Sorry I have not done the eventing, but ran out of time.

 

[cruiseline]

This is my point exactly, thank you for that Anastasia.

 

[lacampbell]

I agree too...wholeheartedly.

 

[springfallstud]

Very interesting, of course Olympics is the Ultimate would be nice to bred something that could go out and win at a high level one day

 

[magic104]

I agree it would be great to breed an Olympic champion equine or child!! But I am happy if mine make uncomplicated equines that can be enjoyed. I want to be able to catch them up from the field without chasing them around. I wsant them to load & travel safely. I want them to stand for he farrier or when they are being mounted. I want them to stay safe when a lorry comes towards us out on a busy road. I want them to stand quietly while being clipped. Basically a well mannered, happy horse, anything else is a bonus. I have always aimed to improve on the mare & to date that has always been the case. Now if my 2 boys can stay out of trouble they may actually make it to riding horses.

 

[magic104]

Not sure how accurate Analysis of 2006 World Show Jumping Championships
http://www.tbheritage.com/HistoricSires/JumpSires/JumpWEG2006.html
116 horses took part in the competition, with an average age of 11.3 years, 66 being geldings, 34 entires and 16 mares. The Holstein studbook was represented by 25 horses (22%), there were 20 Dutch Warmbloods (17%), 15 Selle Français (13%), 11 Belgian Warmbloods (9%), 8 Hanoverians (7%), 7 Oldenburger (6%), 6 Westphalians (5%) and 5 Irish Sport Horses (4%), with 13 other studbooks supplying the remaining 19 (16%) of the competitors.

The high concentration of specialist showjumping blood is demonstrated by 42 (36%) of the horses having been sired by Holsteiner stallions and 26 (22%) by Selle Français stallions, these two being the studbooks with the longest specific focus on showjumper breeding. At least 56% of the participating horses descend from the French-based thoroughbred Furioso in one form or another, 48% from the Holstein-based thoroughbred Cottage Son, 47% from the French-based thoroughbred Rantzau and 43% from the Anglo-Norman Ibrahim. Of the 13 medalists, 9 descend from Cottage Son, though more often than not in the fifth remove. The most important more recent progenitor is the Holstein-based Selle Français stallion Cor de la Bryère, who died as recently as 2000, and from whom 40% of the participating horses descend. One of the most telling signs of Holstein's influence is that Chippison, the best Irish Sport Horse in the competition, and two of the Irish Sport Horse eventing medalists were sired by Cavalier Royale, a Holsteiner son of Cor de la Bryère.

 

[cruiseline]

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Very interesting, of course Olympics is the Ultimate would be nice to bred something that could go out and win at a high level one day

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IMO you have already done that

Can't wait to see him out in the future

 

[markvannunen]

Anastasia, you are trying to open a discussion where the outcome is known for a long time allready.

The quality of the horse is just a very small part in the calculation. The rider is the most important factor in this matter and as long there are not enough good riders to train these 15000 horses in Holland each year you cannot say only 0,45% is good enough to compeet on the highest level.

I don't see any UK studbook in your list. Does this mean not any horse bred in the UK is good enough to perform at the highest level?

 

[Hollycat]

In don't think it the breeds would be differentiated into TBF as opposed to trakehner verband or BHHS as opposed to hanoverian verband so this list would include UK and Irish bred horses I would have thought.

 

[markvannunen]

How many horses on that list are British bred?

 

[Anastasia]

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Anastasia, you are trying to open a discussion where the outcome is known for a long time allready.

The quality of the horse is just a very small part in the calculation. The rider is the most important factor in this matter and as long there are not enough good riders to train these 15000 horses in Holland each year you cannot say only 0,45% is good enough to compeet on the highest level.

I don't see any UK studbook in your list. Does this mean not any horse bred in the UK is good enough to perform at the highest level?

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Mark at no point did I say that only 0.45% are good enough.......re read what I have said before you mis-quote me.

The whole point is to say that only 0.5% of any breed association horses ever make it to the top.....we all know its down the rider (that is such old news..

).

Your argument regarding not enough good riders is correct, but this stands for EVERY country and not just Holland, and it is not something that will change overnight.....that will take generations to change!

The list goes by registered Studbook, NOT country of birth. You could have a KWPN registered horse that was born in France, with full KWPN papers...etc etc. The lists are on the WBFSH website......so the information is free for you to look at yourself.

 

[markvannunen]

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So that means that only 0.45% of the horses ever bred by the KWPN are currently good enough to make it into the top 132 in either discipline.

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Maybe you didn't want to say it like this but I'm not mis- quoting you I think.

We don't breed for that handfull of professional riders but for the subgroup below them.