BBs
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Just seen on the BE website that Stilemans is Cancelled!!
Im shocked tbh!
Im shocked tbh!
Stilmans Cancelled
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Bossanova
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No way!!!!
Great, looks like a repeat of last season's spring cancellations
Great, looks like a repeat of last season's spring cancellations
BBs
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Least Stilemans and Isleham ran last year.
FFS, if its not wet its rock hard.
FFS, if its not wet its rock hard.
Rambo
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Least Stilemans and Isleham ran last year.
FFS, if its not wet its rock hard.
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Bet you're glad you moved over to the dark side now then....all those lovely all-weather surfaces being built around the country....................
Least Stilemans and Isleham ran last year.
FFS, if its not wet its rock hard.
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Bet you're glad you moved over to the dark side now then....all those lovely all-weather surfaces being built around the country....................
Bossanova
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Indeed- I see the problem with frozen ground and I agree the ground is wet but surely they could run a few sections- people stud up well and take the risk. I'd run on this ground- I'm doing all my canterwork in very wet fields without studs and they cope grand
BBs
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Least Stilemans and Isleham ran last year.
FFS, if its not wet its rock hard.
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Bet you're glad you moved over to the dark side now then....all those lovely all-weather surfaces being built around the country....................
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Im turning in to a fat wimp lol
I even asked YO with all this rain, does it mean the indoor season will last longer
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Least Stilemans and Isleham ran last year.
FFS, if its not wet its rock hard.
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Bet you're glad you moved over to the dark side now then....all those lovely all-weather surfaces being built around the country....................
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Im turning in to a fat wimp lol
I even asked YO with all this rain, does it mean the indoor season will last longer
BBs
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Agree Boss.
We hunt all winter in this ground. Horses should be able to cope. I think the main problem is the lorries getting in and out. Make one hell of a mess on the roads.
Remember Mattingley last year? everything held up well bar the carpark.
We hunt all winter in this ground. Horses should be able to cope. I think the main problem is the lorries getting in and out. Make one hell of a mess on the roads.
Remember Mattingley last year? everything held up well bar the carpark.
Rambo
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Least Stilemans and Isleham ran last year.
FFS, if its not wet its rock hard.
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Bet you're glad you moved over to the dark side now then....all those lovely all-weather surfaces being built around the country....................
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Im turning in to a fat wimp lol
I even asked YO with all this rain, does it mean the indoor season will last longer
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LMAO....and in some cases the answer is YES ! We SJ'ers don't DO getting wet
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Least Stilemans and Isleham ran last year.
FFS, if its not wet its rock hard.
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Bet you're glad you moved over to the dark side now then....all those lovely all-weather surfaces being built around the country....................
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Im turning in to a fat wimp lol
I even asked YO with all this rain, does it mean the indoor season will last longer
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LMAO....and in some cases the answer is YES ! We SJ'ers don't DO getting wet
Bossanova
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Very true, that was a mess! But they coped for 1 day and this time of year its so crucial the horses get a run- some of the IN/ON entries are set to go intermediate next time out and I know from experience that if you dont get the easier run, the int can go horribly wrong!!
BBs
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PMSL!
Great!
At least Snoopy will know what hes doing, when we get wet means we are going eventing. When we stay dry we're going SJing lol
Great!
At least Snoopy will know what hes doing, when we get wet means we are going eventing. When we stay dry we're going SJing lol
BBs
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That is a problem isnt!
I guess if they run the Novice and the IN entries only, BE are seen as catering for those riders and not the PN's which are more grassroute/one horse owner/riders.
I guess if they run the Novice and the IN entries only, BE are seen as catering for those riders and not the PN's which are more grassroute/one horse owner/riders.
Bossanova
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Very true, could see some v angry people but sometimes they have to accept that the priorities must lie with encouraging better horses.....
PaddyMonty
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but sometimes they have to accept that the priorities must lie with encouraging better horses.....
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Why?
but sometimes they have to accept that the priorities must lie with encouraging better horses.....
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Why?
BBs
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The year before last they did a combined training exercise due to the frozen ground. This annoyed ppl also mainly because as they were seen as running the event no one was entitled to a refund.
I do think there should be more (across the country) over the winter combined training with Intro/PN N/Int height combined training days. I know addington run similar but where as years ago they used to be the required fence heights they arent now
BE does need to do MORE over the winter I feel, not just JAS or Grasshoppers.
Again, the february hunter trials which runs (Northants) has been cancelled. Dont think its run for years.
I do think there should be more (across the country) over the winter combined training with Intro/PN N/Int height combined training days. I know addington run similar but where as years ago they used to be the required fence heights they arent now
BE does need to do MORE over the winter I feel, not just JAS or Grasshoppers.
Again, the february hunter trials which runs (Northants) has been cancelled. Dont think its run for years.
Bossanova
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A horse entered for the PN may be stepping up to novice on its next run. Fair enough, the run would be useful. Most PN entries however wont be stepping up on their next outing and so you could argue that missing out on one run would be annoying but not the end of the world.
A horse entered in the IN may have done an intermediate or 2 the season before and is having a slightly easier run to get it tuned in, switched on and ready before going intermediate next time out. It NEEDS the run, trust me, I was in this situation with Boss 2/3 seasons ago- we missed our first run due to cancellation and so had to go straight intermediate at Tweseldown. He wasnt quite on the ball, neither was I and we had a very uncharecteristic crashing fall xc.
I would argue it's verging on dangerous if no alternative is available to restrict prep runs before asking a horse to jump a serious track.
A horse entered in the IN may have done an intermediate or 2 the season before and is having a slightly easier run to get it tuned in, switched on and ready before going intermediate next time out. It NEEDS the run, trust me, I was in this situation with Boss 2/3 seasons ago- we missed our first run due to cancellation and so had to go straight intermediate at Tweseldown. He wasnt quite on the ball, neither was I and we had a very uncharecteristic crashing fall xc.
I would argue it's verging on dangerous if no alternative is available to restrict prep runs before asking a horse to jump a serious track.
scs
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Remembering going there a few years ago when they had to tow most of the lorries out, I imagine they are partly worrying about absolutely wrecking their ground. It is usually the lorries which do that more than the horses...
Such a shame for them, all that preparation!
Such a shame for them, all that preparation!
H-J
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Very true, could see some v angry people but sometimes they have to accept that the priorities must lie with encouraging better horses.....
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I can agree slightly - but some times the better horses and horses of the future which they should be encouring could be in teh smaller classes - speaking in general as Stilemans doesnt run an intro! But My 4yrold Spider by Carousel - brother to Carousel Quest is extremely talented and I hope will go very far! So how is she not a better horse?? you can get horses that constantly run intermediate and always get eliminated - what makes them a better horse then her??
Very true, could see some v angry people but sometimes they have to accept that the priorities must lie with encouraging better horses.....
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I can agree slightly - but some times the better horses and horses of the future which they should be encouring could be in teh smaller classes - speaking in general as Stilemans doesnt run an intro! But My 4yrold Spider by Carousel - brother to Carousel Quest is extremely talented and I hope will go very far! So how is she not a better horse?? you can get horses that constantly run intermediate and always get eliminated - what makes them a better horse then her??
H-J
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A horse entered for the PN may be stepping up to novice on its next run. Fair enough, the run would be useful. Most PN entries however wont be stepping up on their next outing and so you could argue that missing out on one run would be annoying but not the end of the world.
A horse entered in the IN may have done an intermediate or 2 the season before and is having a slightly easier run to get it tuned in, switched on and ready before going intermediate next time out. It NEEDS the run, trust me, I was in this situation with Boss 2/3 seasons ago- we missed our first run due to cancellation and so had to go straight intermediate at Tweseldown. He wasnt quite on the ball, neither was I and we had a very uncharecteristic crashing fall xc.
I would argue it's verging on dangerous if no alternative is available to restrict prep runs before asking a horse to jump a serious track.
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But then it is up to them to withdraw from their Intermediate run and run at a smaller class somewhere else then step up - no one is forcing them to start at a higher class
A horse entered for the PN may be stepping up to novice on its next run. Fair enough, the run would be useful. Most PN entries however wont be stepping up on their next outing and so you could argue that missing out on one run would be annoying but not the end of the world.
A horse entered in the IN may have done an intermediate or 2 the season before and is having a slightly easier run to get it tuned in, switched on and ready before going intermediate next time out. It NEEDS the run, trust me, I was in this situation with Boss 2/3 seasons ago- we missed our first run due to cancellation and so had to go straight intermediate at Tweseldown. He wasnt quite on the ball, neither was I and we had a very uncharecteristic crashing fall xc.
I would argue it's verging on dangerous if no alternative is available to restrict prep runs before asking a horse to jump a serious track.
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But then it is up to them to withdraw from their Intermediate run and run at a smaller class somewhere else then step up - no one is forcing them to start at a higher class
BBs
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I see your point boss, I also see the other side of teh coin also.
Perhaps because of this reason, the ppl entered for say Tweseldown next week should see if they can run in a Novice or IN section instead.
William turned up at Stilemans last year and went home due to the hold ups, he didnt even get a horse off the lorry. Allthose horses were due to run Novice the following weeek at T and they all i think were either clear or placed. I guess as long as your horse is prepared well enough at that level. Howver, I guess Int is slightly different unless you are a seasoned rider.
My initial thought would be is to withdraw or see if you can be moved into another lower section.
We all have to at one time or another change our plans.
Perhaps because of this reason, the ppl entered for say Tweseldown next week should see if they can run in a Novice or IN section instead.
William turned up at Stilemans last year and went home due to the hold ups, he didnt even get a horse off the lorry. Allthose horses were due to run Novice the following weeek at T and they all i think were either clear or placed. I guess as long as your horse is prepared well enough at that level. Howver, I guess Int is slightly different unless you are a seasoned rider.
My initial thought would be is to withdraw or see if you can be moved into another lower section.
We all have to at one time or another change our plans.
PaddyMonty
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First run of season its fairly common to run 1 level below.
Both my friends eventing this weekend are running below level of last runs in 2006 and will move back up next event.
Both my friends eventing this weekend are running below level of last runs in 2006 and will move back up next event.
H-J
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Yes I realise that is common.
I do the same - when I was running Novice I always started with a PN.
Just dont understand why horses entered for an intermediate @ nxt event should be given priority.
They should just change their nxt event to the level below - as I said no one is forcing them to run Intermediate when they arent prepared it is up to them to decide whether to drop down at the nxt event
I do the same - when I was running Novice I always started with a PN.
Just dont understand why horses entered for an intermediate @ nxt event should be given priority.
They should just change their nxt event to the level below - as I said no one is forcing them to run Intermediate when they arent prepared it is up to them to decide whether to drop down at the nxt event
PaddyMonty
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Just dont understand why horses entered for an intermediate @ nxt event should be given priority.
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Nor do I! My point was that its not just Intermediate riders the downgrade for first event of season.
Just dont understand why horses entered for an intermediate @ nxt event should be given priority.
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Nor do I! My point was that its not just Intermediate riders the downgrade for first event of season.
H-J
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Nor do I! My point was that its not just Intermediate riders the downgrade for first event of season.
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Ah!! I understand what you mean now!!
I dont usually like to debate on here or anything but I do feel very strongly about that!! And think anyone would agree I have made valid points
Thistle
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Bee is doing PN at Isleham and Poplar, then up to JRN 24th March at Gt Witchingham. She can't just downgrade for Witchie if she doesn't get the runs as there are only 3 JRN's in our area Witchie on 24th March, Burnham Market , easter weekend and Downham in June. To stand any chance at all she must get 2 out of 3 of these runs. They are all so early season, the horses have to be fit and ready.
bandit
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b*gger
wonder if the HT next w/end will be subject to cancelling too.
tbh - the ground here really isn't that bad - i live in it LOL!!
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wonder if the HT next w/end will be subject to cancelling too.
tbh - the ground here really isn't that bad - i live in it LOL!!
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H-J
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Yes but as you booked 2 you can allow for one to not run and have at least one run PN before the JRN's
People that have booked one event before they then notch up risk not having a run before the higher class. And especially id they enter Stilemans as their 1st and only run b4 higher class - as this is know for balloting and couldnt run last year or the year b4 cant remember! Due to frost
People that have booked one event before they then notch up risk not having a run before the higher class. And especially id they enter Stilemans as their 1st and only run b4 higher class - as this is know for balloting and couldnt run last year or the year b4 cant remember! Due to frost
Bossanova
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Yes but it isnt always as easy as that- Boss was entered for a CIC** so he needed an int run. There was no way I could run him in a ** having only done a novice.
Believe me, I have a PN horse now but I would be happy to give priority to higher grades. I persoanlly think thats how it should be.
Believe me, I have a PN horse now but I would be happy to give priority to higher grades. I persoanlly think thats how it should be.
H-J
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Yes but it isnt always as easy as that- Boss was entered for a CIC** so he needed an int run. There was no way I could run him in a ** having only done a novice.
Believe me, I have a PN horse now but I would be happy to give priority to higher grades. I persoanlly think thats how it should be.
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I still disagree - why is your CIC** more important then someone else's intro/PN run? It isnt in my opinion. I think changes have to be made and you have to not look at everyone else moving for you etc you have to sort out whats best for you and your horse i.e not doing the ** doing another one or having a few Novice runs - XC schooling intermediate b4 etc etc. Each person pays individual membership and pays for them self there fore you act for your self and have as much priority as any other member.
Just my thought!
Yes but it isnt always as easy as that- Boss was entered for a CIC** so he needed an int run. There was no way I could run him in a ** having only done a novice.
Believe me, I have a PN horse now but I would be happy to give priority to higher grades. I persoanlly think thats how it should be.
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I still disagree - why is your CIC** more important then someone else's intro/PN run? It isnt in my opinion. I think changes have to be made and you have to not look at everyone else moving for you etc you have to sort out whats best for you and your horse i.e not doing the ** doing another one or having a few Novice runs - XC schooling intermediate b4 etc etc. Each person pays individual membership and pays for them self there fore you act for your self and have as much priority as any other member.
Just my thought!
Thistle
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Yes but as you booked 2 you can allow for one to not run and have at least one run PN before the JRN's
People that have booked one event before they then notch up risk not having a run before the higher class. And especially id they enter Stilemans as their 1st and only run b4 higher class - as this is know for balloting and couldnt run last year or the year b4 cant remember! Due to frost
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Perhaps I just prefer a belt and braces approach! Sometimes need the 2 runs to get going though.
Yes but as you booked 2 you can allow for one to not run and have at least one run PN before the JRN's
People that have booked one event before they then notch up risk not having a run before the higher class. And especially id they enter Stilemans as their 1st and only run b4 higher class - as this is know for balloting and couldnt run last year or the year b4 cant remember! Due to frost
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Perhaps I just prefer a belt and braces approach! Sometimes need the 2 runs to get going though.
MissDeMeena
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Very true, that was a mess! But they coped for 1 day and this time of year its so crucial the horses get a run- some of the IN/ON entries are set to go intermediate next time out and I know from experience that if you dont get the easier run, the int can go horribly wrong!!
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Couldn't agree more!!!
I'm lucky in that my first novice run should be at Aldon, wich touch wood never cancels, before the Int at Gatcombe.. there's no way i'd want to run straight off at Int. without the novice run first!!
where as i might have a go running first off at either PN or novice without the level below run first.
Very true, that was a mess! But they coped for 1 day and this time of year its so crucial the horses get a run- some of the IN/ON entries are set to go intermediate next time out and I know from experience that if you dont get the easier run, the int can go horribly wrong!!
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Couldn't agree more!!!
I'm lucky in that my first novice run should be at Aldon, wich touch wood never cancels, before the Int at Gatcombe.. there's no way i'd want to run straight off at Int. without the novice run first!!
where as i might have a go running first off at either PN or novice without the level below run first.