Stockland Lovell disaster report part one..

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Well if we didn't grin we would cry..
Day started fine leaving the yard by 7am, plaited, smart and raring to go.
This was first day of trying the new spurs (short but sharp!) and SL is somewhere we love and ususally do well.
Arrived in good time, CCJ went off to walk the XC course and came back reporting fence 4 looked pretty difficult, but had plans how to do it.
The new technique for dressage has me in pieces, she gets on ten mins prior to the class, wanders down the field to the arena, then goes straight in after a canter round. She was already down the bottom near the arenas when I realised we hadn't put the stallion tags on. Now those of you who know me know Henryhorn isn't built for speed, so it was a red faced and hot HH that ran down to the arena, slid the tags on literlly seconds before the test and in she went.
He looked fine and felt super, a little overbent in places, but really good rhythm, lost a few marks for doing two more steps in the trot/walk trot transition but his canter was super. Halts straight etc and she finished beaming and patted him.
Rode back to the box me walking red faced passing a lovely H and H person who I am so ashamed to say I didn't recognise (
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) but whoever you are, you were lovely!!!
At this point Chocx owner was watching, she lives in the Bahamas but is a reg Instructor, has been round Badminton and Burghley several times so knows her stuff. She reckoned a below 30 dressage.
She and C went over to the Sj and were a bit stunned to hear 44 dressage . In fact the owner was so surprised she said they must have mixed the numbers up!
Chocx did a fab clear round if one jump was higher than the stands when C misjudged the approach, but good boy he is he responded as ever.
We decided to forget the dressage (the owner said she would go and enquire later as she was convinced it couldn't be correct).
She and I were on the top of the hill near the commentators box when Chocx came into view., effortlessly over first three fences then round the corner to number four, a wide open ditch backed on the far side by rails at max height.
I was videoing (it will go up on here later this week) when I saw them approach the fence, him not lift in the air properly as he seemed to leave one leg on the ground and somersault over the fence onto the floor. I dropped the camera, my companion was already running like a hare to cacth her stallion but I waited to see them both stand up. Poor Chocx, he couldn't stand on one front leg at all, and I thought "Oh no, he's broken his leg..)
I followed as fast as I could and CCJ was up and ok if shaken, the owner was holding CHoc and he pulled forwards wanting to walk as you do when you get a hard bang on your bone., instantly the fence judge yelled she was not to move him and was joined vociforously by several others.
The problem was as his owner said, if he wanted to move she needed to assess how damaged he was, and the prats at the jump didn't realise she is incredibly experienced and was seeing what he would do.
The vet arrived and he first thought ligament, but the damage was deepish small cuts to his leg in three places, it seems he hit the fence with his leg and possibly himself with his stud as he came down. 15 mins later he was standing on the leg ok and the vet and I went back to the box to get my ice pack (usually forget the flexible one, for once I had it with me and cold). Chocx had a wee, and the vet gave him some anti inflammatories and he mooched very gingerly back to the box. By the time he reached there he was sound if shaken.
We are pleased tonight there is no heat in the leg but will wait and see over the next three days. His confidence will be shaken too no doubt, as he is still very novice in his experience.
Looking at the dressage scores and the sheet, the judge said he was over bent the whole test, well for some of it I agree, but even so, to give him such lousy marks wasn't fair. the horse after him exploded in canter three times that I saw, and the steward of the arena actually commented to me that she thought Choc had done the best test of the day so far (he was about fifth to last to go, so she had watched plenty.) Yet that horse got exactly the same mark...
The walk was good, he was balanced and obedient and compared to something explosive and bloody naughty deserved better.
The XC in my opinion was far too testing today. The vet said he had never seen so many fallers, (12 at last count), over 20 horses in our section got refusals Xc or fell or got eliminated.
I can't see that having 50% of your entries in a section fail to get round the XC can be right.
Looking at number 4 it was of a difficulty you would expect in a Novice of a good standard, and for one fence to cause so much trouble there has to be some blame in the course building.
As for the dressage judge, well after all you go to get her opinion and in this case, she obviously preferred naughty horses to ours. I would say however as he has done six BE's that all his other marks have been between 28 and 36 (34 if you delete 1 course error) so perhaps the other judges are looking for something she isn't..
Talking to other competitors she is a judge who has been doing it for many years, but to get such terrible marks is demoralising. Even with that mark had he done his usual clear XC he would have been 8th, so perhaps she was constistant across the board marking everyone low..
So you can see why I sympathise with Bossanova re her disappointment and Sarah Jane with her broken leg.. It could so easliy have been CCJ today or Choxc a write off.
The awful thing is we are back there tomorrow with a green horse who has no chance whatsoever. If we see it's that judge you can bet your life CCJ will ride in a different way, perhaps a few leaps and bucks, horse pulling hard etc may get a better score.. (joking but not funny really is it?)
He is careless Sj, very iffy XC and the smaller version of the dreaded number 4 is also in the course. Apparently they normally jump it the opposite way.
I'll hopefully do part 2 tomorrow evening, we have no hopes at all of a rosette, so in a way it's pretty liberating, C is only taking the horse as her Dad wanted to see if he could event at all..
Fingers' crossed guys for a better day...
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Awww, sounds like it wasnt the best of days! Hope Chocx ok. And I sympathise with you on the dressage front ...it really is demoralising when what had been both seen and felt by both rider and onlooker...including 'spectators' as a super test is misenterpereted by the judge of the day.... It happens ALOT (perhaps sometimes because G-B isnt your normal 'type' of eventer!!! But hey, sounds like you live to fight another day huh!! Well done though, must of been tough day......I always hate the 2nd ten mins of the drive home...when you really start to disintigrate the day...but before you know it that Dressage should have a serious case of ear burning! HAha!
 
As i said to Boss. i think the dressage judges were on a mission to demoralise people at Stockland Lovell, and atleast the scores were across the board (have you read my report from Fri).. i'm not sure why it was happening, but it wasn't just that judge.. i really hope they don't do it again today!! both mine are capable of good tests!

Well done for the SJing.. and i hope he recovers soon from the fall!!
I'll see you there today anyway!
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what a nightmare - some days you just wish you'd stayed at home....
I think SL can be too technical for a PN, certainly thought it was last year
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PM me the name of the judge willyou.
 
What a horrid day, hope you all recover from your bumps and bruises.

Maybe someone should send BE the links to these threads so they get some feedback.

Do you think the judges were all briefed to mark extra hard or something?
 
Interesting report, shame about the judge and it must be so scary to see your daughter fall like that.

Better luck for today
 
So glad Chocx is ok and CCJ. These dressage judges can have funny ideas. My boy nearly always has between 30 and 35 dressage, yet at my first event this year i was gobsmacked to get 42!!. He did a lovely test but obviously the judge was not impressed.
Anyway the main thing is that they are ok and lets hope sunday is a better day for you.
 
Oh goodness, what a terrible day.

Perhaps the jugde has a real intolerance of horses being overbent and therefore felt the need to mark him down for it, across the test. Unfortunately, dressage judging being so subjective, means that some judges carry these "bugbears".
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Huge good luck for today, tho. Hoping for a happy report this evening!!
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[That sounds like a day from hell. Hope everyone is feeling better today.

I just have to take issue with you on one comment of yours but please don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger!

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Well if we didn't grin we would cry..

The XC in my opinion was far too testing today. The vet said he had never seen so many fallers, (12 at last count), over 20 horses in our section got refusals Xc or fell or got eliminated.
I can't see that having 50% of your entries in a section fail to get round the XC can be right.
Looking at number 4 it was of a difficulty you would expect in a Novice of a good standard, and for one fence to cause so much trouble there has to be some blame in the course building.

Fingers' crossed guys for a better day...
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Unless the course builder is also the designer, it's nothing to do with him, he only builds it to the design specification and then each fence is assessed and passed/failed by the Technical Delegate/Advisor, - so please don't tar CB's with the fault, they can only go by what is ordered! My OH has nightmares every year, he would hate for someone to get hurt by jumping one of his fences BUT he only builds to his orders, he can't do any more than that. Other things also have to be taken into account: the lay of the ground, ground conditions if not the norm on the day, shadows, you'll know others far better than us, but the TD should have taken these into account surely.
You are very right, that is far too high a percentage for one section alone so it sounds like SL will seriously have to look at their TD for passing the fences in the first place, they are meant to be able to assess the ability of each class (it's obviously up to each competitor to be of that standard isn't it?) and it sounds like they seriously overestimated there.

Hope you have a much better day today!
 
Hi HH

That was me that stopped you red faced (don't worry you didn't look out of breath!) and had a natter. Totally agree with dressage judge as I was in your section I scored 42 and was shocked as bar one blip I thought it was a really nice test. Never mind at least everyone was in same boat.
I headed off early after I saw you so didn't come and find you but sounds like you had your hand full anyway. Hope Choc is ok sounds a nasty fall and CCJ is ok. I chickened out and jumped the L alternative at that fence as it came too early on for Charm. I thought it was a tough fence
Hope you have a better day today
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Great report on what was a pretty crap day for you all.

Despite all the crap bits thank goodness you are all pretty much OK. That is the most important thing.

I hope today goes better for you all.

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What a demoralising day
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Such a shame about the dressage judging - some judges just decide from the moment you enter the ring they dont like what they're seeing and mark harshly even if the test was good (had that several times before
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Fingers crossed that Chocx makes a speedy recovery and hasnt lost too much confidence. and a belated good luck to CCJ for today
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Hi HH, what a horrid day for you it turned out to be. The judges certainly have their own views on things. Also, what a horrible thing to watch with him falling. Hope you have a better time today.
 
What a shame, hope Chocx is not too demoralised and that he's better soon.

I could guess who the dressage judge is, if it's the one I think it could be she likes to give me 50! and it doesn't matter how many different judges there are I always get her! I always feel like turning for hom when I see her car
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. At least you know that that is not his normal score and she was judging particularly harsh.

Hope Sunday goes better.
 
Oh HH fingers crossed for Chocx, he got away with it by the sounds of it but is going to be very sore. I hope C is feeling ok today and that you have a fairer crack of the whip with the other horse.

Hadnt realised how testing SL was yesterday so I must congratulate a fellow livery later as she went double clear It will be interesting to see what her dressage score was and whether she felt it was fair.
 
Glad you are all in one piece - did you manage to have a word with the rider rep?

SLM always does this and the July one is always tricky. I think they are getting themselves a reputation as I always tell people not to go there on a green or just upgraded horse.

As for the dressage it is just stupid - how are you supposed to train consistently and improve if things like that happen? After all judges should be all singing from same hymn sheet with scales of training. I have been going through a similar thing one judge loves them overbent and the next one likes something different.
 
Gosh, my heart was in my mouth reading that... glad they were both able to walk away even if sore....some people just like putting others down (maybe..?) Good luck for today
 
Gosh HH, poor CCJ, Chocx and yourself!! How demoralising.. I can sympathise with the dressage as you will see from my (soon to be written!) Brightling report. I hope Chocx makes a speedy recovery and isn't phased by the whole experience.
 
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