H-J
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Someone told me tonight you can tell if a horse has stomach ulcers as it will windsuck, is this true? Is this a symptom in some horses?
What are other symptoms?
What are other symptoms?
Stomach Ulcers
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Dougie
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recently a link between windsucking and gastric ulcers was proven.
what level of work is horse doing?
has his excercise increased recently?
they will usually get mild/moderate colic very soon after eating
what level of work is horse doing?
has his excercise increased recently?
they will usually get mild/moderate colic very soon after eating
murphyboywoody
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I think they can suffer with re-occuring colic as well .
Natalie_H
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Teeth grinding is another symptom!
AmyMay
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We have a competition horse here that is prone to ulcers. Her symptoms were initially lethargy. Blood tests etc. were done and ulcers found to be the cause.
She doesn't display any other symptoms. This has now been resolved through diet - and hopefully they won't reacurr.
She doesn't display any other symptoms. This has now been resolved through diet - and hopefully they won't reacurr.
H-J
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So they can be found in a blood test then?
druid
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Yes it's a sympton, along with lethargy, lack or preformance, teeth grinding, stomach kicking, weight loss, dull coat and finicky appetite
Blood test will only determine if bacterial (h.Pylori) ulcers are present..you can self tets with pharmacy kits. For acidosis caused ulcers a scope is needed.
Treatment for high grade is 28 days of daily 400mg omeprazole (plus anti-b's for H.Pylori) sometimes a further 14 days are required. Generic brand is "Gastro/UlcerGard" and you're looking at £600 for 28 days treatment. Then feed as for low grade.
Low grade, figh fibre, high oil and low starch diets (Red Mills Horse Care Cubes, or Wingery equivalent) - add chaff for further fibre. Adlib access to fibre (grass/hay/haylage ... soaked if necessary) is a must. Feeding a double handful of alfalfa pellets/chaff (alfa beet works well) before the main hard feed helps as high Ca levels coat the stomach lining and sooth if excess acid produced.
Blood test will only determine if bacterial (h.Pylori) ulcers are present..you can self tets with pharmacy kits. For acidosis caused ulcers a scope is needed.
Treatment for high grade is 28 days of daily 400mg omeprazole (plus anti-b's for H.Pylori) sometimes a further 14 days are required. Generic brand is "Gastro/UlcerGard" and you're looking at £600 for 28 days treatment. Then feed as for low grade.
Low grade, figh fibre, high oil and low starch diets (Red Mills Horse Care Cubes, or Wingery equivalent) - add chaff for further fibre. Adlib access to fibre (grass/hay/haylage ... soaked if necessary) is a must. Feeding a double handful of alfalfa pellets/chaff (alfa beet works well) before the main hard feed helps as high Ca levels coat the stomach lining and sooth if excess acid produced.
mlm
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i had a tb that was collicky and vet thought it might be ulcers as most tb race horses suffer with them. she told me to feed limestone flour as a supplement . it stopped the colic
Serephin
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they will usually get mild/moderate colic very soon after eating
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what are the signs for mild colic?
I ask cos after eating my TB sometimes seems to be tensing and then relaxing his stomach. Doesn't stop him form continuing to eat his hay though. And on the odd occassion he has raised his back leg to his belly. His is an ex racer, 14 years old.
they will usually get mild/moderate colic very soon after eating
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what are the signs for mild colic?
I ask cos after eating my TB sometimes seems to be tensing and then relaxing his stomach. Doesn't stop him form continuing to eat his hay though. And on the odd occassion he has raised his back leg to his belly. His is an ex racer, 14 years old.
druid
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That'd be the the high Ca levels coating the stomach lining & reducing the acidic conditions
Llwyncwn
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Although there is alot more known about ulcers today, I wish I had Druid around 9 years ago when my mare had it bad. She had a perforated ulcer which caused peritonitis. The vets knew b*gger all. It was only thanks to Spillers and my local health food shop that we saved her!
98% of all racehorses in training have ulcers! Spillers have a very informative fact sheet which many would benefit from reading.
98% of all racehorses in training have ulcers! Spillers have a very informative fact sheet which many would benefit from reading.
druid
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If you go healthfood wise you need - Slippery Elm, Valerian (banned under rules), mint & limestone flour. Papaya or Aloe Juice is also good.
http://www.equinegastriculcers.co.uk/ is somewhat helpful too
Llwyncwn
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Very close ... when Cass had it the Health Food Shop put her on Slippery Elms, Valarian and Kava-Kava ! She was on 80 Cemetedine tablets a day (crushed and drenched), 1 ltr of Gaviscon, pro-biotics and antibio's. The vet said she looked like a hat rack and to pump as much hard feed into her as possible
which bought on the colic (up to 6 times a day). In the end, with help also from Ada Cole, she was put on best hay, Hi Fi, sugar beet and 1/2 pt oil a day.
Have never fed any of mine 'mix' since. I didnt know at the time that it doesnt digest as well as cubes ... we suffer and learn in the process
But then, if we didnt suffer these awful things, we wouldnt become semi-expert
Have never fed any of mine 'mix' since. I didnt know at the time that it doesnt digest as well as cubes ... we suffer and learn in the process
druid
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Lol, the above naturals were what my boy had before we gave in and did omeperazole!
He still gets 50ml of Gaviscon before his evening feed though, as it has cooked mix in it (he's a v.poor doer) which will set him off colicing otherwise.
He still gets 50ml of Gaviscon before his evening feed though, as it has cooked mix in it (he's a v.poor doer) which will set him off colicing otherwise.
pixiebee
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the first sign i knew something was wrong with my pony was when i turned up at the yard and found he had a huge swelling underneath his belly. turned out it was a pitting edema,(leaky bowel or soemthing) this was due to stomach ulcers causing protein loosing enteropathy. bit confusing!! he was stabled 24/7 at the time and put him out 24/7 and he is now back in full health. seems it was purely diet. no other signs apart from getting upset when you touched his belly. no windsucking or lethargy!!