Strange behaviour/back problem?

KrankyKaty

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Hi I'm new to the forum and hoping its not rude to ask for help without introducing myself. Briefly, I'm Katy and I have a 12 year old 15.3 middleweight cob x who i've had from 5yrs old. He's always been forward going but walks slowly down hills, has a stiff hip and is regularly seen by a physio a couple of times a year. He's reluctant to pick up the hind leg on his stiff side for picking out, and it takes a minute to get him to relax.

He had some discomfort in his back last year (2010) and physio did some what I think was shock wave treatment and he had some time off, but came back early this year 2011, fine and working much as before.

A few days ago he started, for no apparent reason standing in his stable, with food and water and his usual bed, squealing and kicking out quite violently with his back legs. The day before he started this the physio had been out and found him to be really sensitive in the lower back. Two days after Xmas I called vet out (BH callout but so stressed I didn't care) and he poked his back thoroughly and got no reaction at all! Horse still squealing and kicking out in stable. Vet gave me bute to give him, 4 a day for 3 days and then 2 a day for 3 days to see if squealing stopped with painkillers, it didn't. We're on day two of 4 bute and he's still squealing. He's only in for a few hours during the day, but I don't know if he does it in the field too, nobody has seen him but it's a small yard so doubt anyone would. Incidentally on trotting up and flexion tests he was sound and level (for him, allowing for usual stiffness). He's always got hay in stable as I do adlib so he's not hungry, eats most of it but never finishes it all.

Anyone have any ideas or seen another horse do this? I've had him years and never done this before. Could it be Sacroilliac injury if vet couldn't get a reaction but physio could? For background his saddle is checked regularly, physio a few times a year, he's been in very light work, a little schooling/light hacking, no jumping. He's not fit and is a bit overweight I'd say and he seems to have dropped his belly a bit. Only thing not done recently is his teeth.

Really grateful for any help.
 

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Stiffness behind will often lead to sore backs. Mine was send to Edinburgh for a bone scan to ivestigate a back problem and all they found was slight spavin in one hock.
 

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Oh and I looked after a hunt horse that was getting on a bit who developed navicular in both fronts and she got very grumpy and was really kicking the stable walls. Probably best to get the vet to do a full lameness work up.
 

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thanks Pinklilly vet and physio are back together hopefully next week if they can agree about times. I can't work out why the bute hasn't made a difference either though! Its just weird and hes so sweet, I don't like knowing somethings wrong but not helping him.
 

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I didn't find the bute made any difference to the hunt mare, her lameness was quite subtle, equally in both fronts, it was easy for me to tell as she was behaving out of character, short striding, unwilling to trot etc. My gelding had a bute trial but couldn't exercise him due to snow and ice and couldn't see any difference really.
 

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Vet was hoping it would stop the kicking and squealing in the stable, or show it was pain related by stopping it. hes not lame at all. its just this part of his back with the physio makes him react really badly but vet can't get same? and sqealing started after the physio so thought it was connected but maybe not?

Do you think 4 bute a day would be enough? he weighs about 600kgs.

Thank you very mcuh for your posts.
 

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I would think that he has an underlying problem in his hind legs, which has been to some extent kept comfortable by the physio but as it is recurring he should be given a full work up by the vet. Vets often cannot find muscular pain in the way a physio can and often discount back pain.
Have you examined his heels really well in case he has some mud fever or something in his heels that could be causing the kicking, the two issues could be unrelated which may be why he is not responding to the bute.
 

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No i haven't but hes in a really muddy field and is clipped out so ahsnt got hairy legs so i will have a look in the morning. Hadnt thought of that, thank you.
 

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Has anything else changed recently - stable buddies for example? Could it be something totally unrelated - ie some sgtable 'visitors' he isn't too keen on (rats for example!). Is he doing anything else - ie rubbing or anything like that. We currently think we may have a couple of ours that are suffering with lice, I think maybe due to the exceptionally warm weather we've had. However, they are older and are not clipped although are in good health. One is just itching a lot, rubbing on everything and has been very agitated. we have treated him for lice as a first attack and to cure or at least rule out.

However, I supposed this is unlikely if yours is clipped. You aren't over rugging are you? I know my horse can get agitated if too hot and it is very warm at the moment even if theyare clipped.

I would say to look at all different reasons - certainly check for irritations on his legs. It doesn't actually sound pain related if the bute's having no effect. I have a pony who shows this behaviour quite regularly to be honest and it can be triggered by many things - normally he's p*ssed off about something and has his little 'moments'. He does it when angry at a herd member, sometimes when you're putting his rug on if he's eating and sometimes there doesn't appear tp be any reason for it! That's just him though so I am used to it.

I hope you get to the bottom of the cause!
 

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Has anything else changed recently - stable buddies for example? Could it be something totally unrelated - ie some sgtable 'visitors' he isn't too keen on (rats for example!). Is he doing anything else - ie rubbing or anything like that. We currently think we may have a couple of ours that are suffering with lice, I think maybe due to the exceptionally warm weather we've had. However, they are older and are not clipped although are in good health. One is just itching a lot, rubbing on everything and has been very agitated. we have treated him for lice as a first attack and to cure or at least rule out.

However, I supposed this is unlikely if yours is clipped. You aren't over rugging are you? I know my horse can get agitated if too hot and it is very warm at the moment even if theyare clipped.

I would say to look at all different reasons - certainly check for irritations on his legs. It doesn't actually sound pain related if the bute's having no effect. I have a pony who shows this behaviour quite regularly to be honest and it can be triggered by many things - normally he's p*ssed off about something and has his little 'moments'. He does it when angry at a herd member, sometimes when you're putting his rug on if he's eating and sometimes there doesn't appear tp be any reason for it! That's just him though so I am used to it.

I hope you get to the bottom of the cause!

Hi Ladyt thank you so much! i checked his back legs this moning and found some tiny little scabby bits that i hadnt noticed before under all the fluff. he wasnt impressed with me touching them and luckily vet was on the yard this afternoon so we've done a mite jab and changed all his bed cos vet thinks it very likely theyve been upsetting him enough to make him squeal. Doesnt seem to be part of the back thing but vet is gonna be there next week when physio comes to see what they both think. will be so pleased if its that simple was thinking all sorts of stupid stuff like tumors and things. i have everything crossed now!
 

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Hi Katy,

I just wanted to say good luck and I hope you get him sorted out. I'm having a few problems with my cob's hooves at the moment, possible navicular, so I know how stressful it can be.

Let us know how you get on. xx
 
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