Strawberry roan - Really?

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She's definitely grey...

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/clas...ry-roan-showjumper-burgraff-lines-424618.html

Colour:Strawberry Roan

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Funnily enough, I have a bay roan and more than once she has been referred to as grey.
I can't see why they refer to her as grey!

Can't say that one in the ad looks strawberry roan though.
 
Mine is passported as strawberry roan, but I would definitely say he's bay roan! (Black mane/tail/points).

Possibly the one in the pic is bay roan too? Clipped out to the black parts- though I'd have thought we'd still see some bay parts in the legs. Looks more blue to me.

Mine has a high trace clip which means the skin looks grey and the hair looks brown- I often get asked when hacking why he's 'stripey'!

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Looks like my chap when he's been clipped and mine is blue roan! I previously had a strawberry roan and that looks nothing like he did! Any experts out there...?
 
AT - She's grey, no if's or but's about it. Rose grey is only a stage that greys go through if they were born chestnut or bright bay, giving them a pinkinsh look temporarily - they should still be passported as grey or even better chestnut/grey or bay/grey to indicate their birth colour. Greys always have at least one grey parent too, which is a bit of a clue when a grey starts to grey out. Roans (proper roan gene) also must have a roan parent, so if neither parent has the roan gene, you can't have a roan foal.

Here's a real strawberry roan/chestnut roan for comparison. Note the lack of roaning on the head, legs, mane and tail.

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Well, the first thing that whoever purchases the mare should do is to get the passport updated. Really the seller should have done it before selling. It wont be the last grey that's incorrectly identified when young, although if in doubt breeders could send off a few hairs for DNA testing.

I've often talked about seeing ads where the colour stated is just plain wrong, spotted this and thought I'd share. :)
 
I have nothing of value to add to this thread other than my first pony was strawberry roan just like faracat's picture in the summer but grew a very dense white coat in winter on his body and I have always wanted another pink pony!
 
Sitting looking at my strawberry roan and white coloured pony in the field next to me. His coloured patches are currently very pinky/beige. In the winter he is much more chestnut. At no point does he look like the one in the picture. ( apart from being coloured obviously !)
 
Maybe that's what the passport says so that's what they put to avoid people thinking the passport and horse don't match? This one is described as bay roan on his passport
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Makes it interesting when we go to BRC competitions where they're really strict on passports. Some volunteers, especially at qualifiers have been roped in and don't know a huge amount about horses so can't believe lots of bay roan foals end up grey!
 
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My grey is down as a roan on his passport too...to be fair when his passport was done he did look more blue roan than grey :(...he's still dark grey so the passport is explainable but it will be fun to explain when he reaches the 'white' grey stage :rolleyes:
Out of interest Faracat can you get a blue roan and white coloured horse/pony?
 
For me this is just another reason why there should be more solid testing done to verify a horse's colour before it is printed forever more on their passport.
 
JLD - can you post a photo of your roan? Chestnut does come in lots of shades, you can imagine, for example that a liver chestnut strawberry roan would not look exactly the same as the one in the photo.

If your horse's passport is wrong, why don't you get in touch with the PIO and get the colour corrected? This is, IMO what the seller should have done before advertising this mare. I've had to update details before (eg when a colt is gelded) and I have found that the PIO was very helpful. They will be used to greys being incorrectly identified, so it shouldn't be a problem.

RE the Exmoor, pangare seems to really confuse people. I've normally seen it with Haflingers, where chestnut pangares are wrongly called palomino. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised that a bay pangare could be incorrectly identified as dun? It does make me want a compulsory DNA colour test to be part of the passport even more though.

Yes, you can get roan + one of the pinto/coloured genes. :) Blue roan is just roan on a black base.

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The white at the tip of his tail is caused by the tobiano. Also note the dark head on the Roan, greys generally go grey on the head early on in the greying process.
 
RunToEarth said:
For me this is just another reason why there should be more solid testing done to verify a horse's colour before it is printed forever more on their passport.
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I 100% agree with you. I have seen PRE's with colour testing as part of their identification details and it makes perfect sense to do so.

It does make you wonder why people who's job (or part of their job) is to do horse passports, are so shoddy at colour identification? I'm sure that some owners press for their foal to be put down as a more 'romantic' or desirable colour, but the truth should be in the passport, otherwise it fails at a basic level of being an identification document.
 
given that they bred (and therefore passported her) it still doesn't give me any confidence in them if they have said it just because that is what the passport says!
 
Faracat said:
RE the Exmoor, pangare seems to really confuse people. I've normally seen it with Haflingers, where chestnut pangares are wrongly called palomino. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised that a bay pangare could be incorrectly identified as dun? It does make me want a compulsory DNA colour test to be part of the passport even more though.
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Exmoor is our oldest Native breed, the pony is purebred, inspected, branded and registered as an Exmoor-a vet should really know that the pony cannot be dun. And I'm not paying out for a compulsory DNA colour test for ponies who's parentage is known for generations and can not be anything other than Exmoor pony, just because clueless vets can't tell and Exmoor from a Highland :p

the pony is on loan to me but tbh, he's not going anywhere else and at 21 cba to get passport changed-I did get my grey's passport changed.
 
You can, of course disagree with me, but maybe breeds that are always one colour (eg Cleveland Bays) could be exempt from DNA testing for colour? It would probably be easier to make it a blanket rule across all PIO's though. Not that I think it will happen any time soon, if ever, as the whole passport system is a joke.
 
we've got one whose passport calls him a 'grey roan'. Eh?

Horse was a bay foal with two grey parents, and is unquestionably grey.
 
I'd like to have passports that include proper conformation type photographs, which show all markings and colour etc. As well as the usual microchip and other info :) I'd be happy to pay to have that updated each year - maybe there could be a photograph section that owners could add a set to and have stamped by their vet or something prior to sending off? Be great for horses that change colour over time (greys), or seasonally (roans). Expensive though, but accurate!
 
I'd not be best pleased if it was made compulsory to dna for colour, yet another bureaucratic hoop would hack me off. Saying that I do *choose* to colour test many of my horses, for my own purposes.
Think it was last year I was having a foal passported and the vet asked me 'This is going to sound like a really silly question, but she is black isn't she?' She is indeed black, I confirmed :p
But they do ask me, I've not had a vet want to make a 'best guess'.

I have got an old mare who has a passport saying blue roan, and she's never been roan, she's grey on a black base...looking through her progeny I noticed one of them listed as blue roan and I did think...bet it's not :p
 
One of my horses is passported as Strawberry roan, however I'd definitely say she is bay roan. I'm always having debates with people about horses colour, some of the suggestions are so ridiculous you have to just walk away. But considering this is a well known breeder I'd assume they've selected the wrong option on a drop down list maybe? and actualy meant to select "steel grey" not "strawberry roan" that or they're idiots haha :p
 
Faracat said:
I 100% agree with you. I have seen PRE's with colour testing as part of their identification details and it makes perfect sense to do so.

It does make you wonder why people who's job (or part of their job) is to do horse passports, are so shoddy at colour identification? I'm sure that some owners press for their foal to be put down as a more 'romantic' or desirable colour, but the truth should be in the passport, otherwise it fails at a basic level of being an identification document.
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It really irks me, when I am fishing through the passport box with the hunters, to have to go into some depth to find out who is who because someone presumably of some authority has signed off a passport with a blatant incorrect colour. Our lovely grey horse is passported as coloured - I mean really?
 
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