Stud fee - why is it different for TB and non TB mares?

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Hi! Just curious really...why do you sometimes pay less to cover a non Thoroughbred mare than a TB one? I thought the differences would mainly be related to grade of a mare or similar.
I don't know whether it is a rule but saw an advert on One More Tiger's stud fee and the fee is greater for TB mares...
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Anyway, thank you to anybody who can enlighten me
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i dont really know, but if im talking rubbish please correct me! i think its more money if the stallions TB, and it goes to TB mare. i dont think its more for a non TB stallions to TB mare. but it could be something to do with racing aswel?!?!?!? sorry if this is all wrong!
 
Nice to know you were looking at Tiger, he's on my yard! He's a lot nicer in the flesh than on his card too!

I think the principle when the system first came out many years ago, was that TBs were more valuable than a half bred so the two tier system was started. I stand to be corrected but I also think the covering certificates are much dearer for thoroughbreds too.
 
The covering certs are the same ones used whether mares are TB or not so no differance there unless stallion is duel registered and has SHB one for non TB mares and weatherbys ones for TB mares which wouldnt be the case with OMT as he isnt SHB graded.
Weatherbys covering certs cost you £115 if the stallion stands at £400 or under and then £245 if over £400 unless you are only covering 5 mares when they charge you £57.50 for stallions under £400.
As for fees we stand ours at the same for TB as non TB as it is difficult enough to attract decent TB mares these days with all the offers avaliable from the darley type studs.
 
Nice stallion to have around
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Rather strange this stud fee system as seem to encourage breeding of non TB stock to TB stallion (not that it is wrong but why charging more for TB mares - it's quite a mistery to me).
At first I thought it was maybe bacause TBs can only be covered naturally and so more dangerous to a stallion but then there doesn't seem to be a diffrenece in the price for AI and natural.
Hmmmm
 
I have to say I also thought it was due to a full TB's being more valuable as the offspring could go into training. Rawdings were the same Ra Nova's fee was higher for TB mares but then I thought this was common for TB stallions that had raced, for the reason already mentioned. There must be someone on here that can confirm.
 
It's the same with Arabs - a pure-bred stallion's fee is usually higher for pure-bred mares than for PBAs or non-Arab mares.

The reason given is that a pure-bred foal is generally more valuable than a part-bred.
 
QR, at Malvern sales today there are 2 Welsh crosses by TB stallions.
Now, these stallions are Beat (f##k) All, and Overbury.
I find that very odd tbh.
A) On the mares owners part. If you want a TB injection there are plenty of nice TB's(in looks ways, not racing) about covering in this area for not much money.
B) On the studs part. Overbury is well established in racing, and Beat All is viewed as an up and coming prospect (although I dont agree - yuk). So why produce stock that cant race?
Both stamp their stock very well, and produce nice animals, but surely forking out for their stud fee is madness???
Unless of course, owner is mates with RK and he just popped them on out of TB season!
 
I thought anything by a TB was eligible for the NTR & if they are reg on the NTR they were eligible to race (not flat). If you keep putting back to the TB then so many generations down the line the offspring would be eligible for full TB pprs??
 
Yes,anything on the WNTR can run in any race, but obviously in this case they weren't bred for that purpose!
Our homebreds started from an unregistered mare, the 3rd generation produced a Champion Hurdle/Listed flat winner.
Not sure how many gens it takes to be full TB, but we are now 4th and 5th generation and not there yet.
 
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