Stud work

[Clodagh]

I’m really sorry if I’ve asked this before. I have a lot of conversations in my head. .
A woman out shooting has asked if she could use Scout over her bitch. Bitch is beautifully bred and getting health tests atm.
I said no as I like him not sex obsessed and most stud dogs we see out shooting are a real nuisance. She has got in touch and asked again, bitch is not in season yet.
I could get S tested. He is a very good dog. But I don’t want him to change from the innocent numpty he is now. He would be just 2 when the bitch is due in again.
Thoughts?

 

[Equi]

My cousin wanted to stud her dog but had not yet done it, she eventually ended up getting him nutted because he was humping anything and everything including her husband. It was just his hormones. My point being, a male will do what a male does and I don’t think popping the cherry makes it worse. That being said I’ve not had a stud dog before.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

If you would rather mot just keep on saying no

 

[CorvusCorax]

Both of mine have been used at stud and didn't turn into sex pests.

I know a lot of males who have been used...what you allow is what will continue, if a dog is humping and marking, tell it to knock it off.

 

[Moobli]

I think it depends on the dog. Some of our sheepdogs have been used and while it didn’t changed the behaviour of all, one or two became much more sex pesty than previously. If you’re not keen to use him I’d just say no again.

 

[Thistle]

I would leave it until your dog is well and truly out the other side of adolescence, more chance for you to instill correct behaviour, less chance for him to be a rampant teen.

Health tests looking towards £1k, you'd need to use him a few times to justify the cost.

Hasn't affected Toast at all, if anything he's easier as he knows if a bitch is 'hot' and unless she is then he isn't particularly interested BUT this behavious was fully installed before I used him at stud. I have a specific place for mating (the stable barn, he never normally goes in there) and use a specific collar, in the hope that if a harness means to a guide dog that it's working then this means that he's shagging.

Toast has no interest in other dogs whatsoever when he's working, birds are far more exciting. You seen him with your girls when we walked them together, quick bottom sniff in passing then he's off minding his own business. Yes I guess he's unusual, I can have him and an in season bitch living in the house together, but separated, he does't whine, scratch doors etc.

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

Both of mine have been used at stud and didn't turn into sex pests.

I know a lot of males who have been used...what you allow is what will continue, if a dog is humping and marking, tell it to knock it off.

I repeatedly told Bear but he was obsessive so got chopped.

I think as a responsible owner, you would want him fully health tested knowing you, but why does she want him? Is he very driven or is she swayed by him being a good looking dog or is it his temperament she likes? Would he complement her bitch’s configuration? Does she have a waiting list? Do you want a pup from him? Aren’t you waiting for a litter related to Ffee or am I making that up? So many questions!

I’m surprised that someone has asked more than once, reminds me of the mumsnet term CF!

 

[Clodagh]

He does check under tails when he meets and greets, but not persistently or annoyingly. He lives with 4 Middle Aged spayed women so has to mind his p’s and q’s.
He only humped once and has never risked it again .
He doesn’t mark at home, he’s allowed to do so out in off lead/heel walks.
Health testing wouldn’t cost me more than one pup and yes I’d have one back from this bitch.
She likes him as he works on her shoot and she’s seen him out all season.
There’s people keen for a pup.
Those above are pluses.

Minuses -
He doesn’t move very well in front, but elbow testing would highlight if that was an issue, and I will get it done anyway so I know if it’s likely to become one.
He is very young and in fact that’s a valid point, maybe give him a year or two to calm down, although he’s pretty horizontal if there’s no birds out there.

 

[Clodagh]

To clarify the poor moving, I’m very pernickety and at trot he is wider in front than is ideal.

 

[CorvusCorax]

He only humped once and has never risked it again .

Same, same one of the most on-point training moves I ever made, the timing, the execution**, perfect. If only it had all gone like that!!


(**I roared at him and chased him out of the room brandishing the cushion he'd been trying to copulate with. His head didn't fall off and many years later produced an excellent litter of ten)

 

[Clodagh]

Same, same one of the most on-point training moves I ever made, the timing, the execution**, perfect. If only it had all gone like that!!


(**I roared at him and chased him out of the room brandishing the cushion he'd been trying to copulate with. His head didn't fall off and many years later produced an excellent litter of ten)

Sometimes the knee jerk training reactions are the best ones!

 

[Moobli]

He does check under tails when he meets and greets, but not persistently or annoyingly. He lives with 4 Middle Aged spayed women so has to mind his p’s and q’s.
He only humped once and has never risked it again .
He doesn’t mark at home, he’s allowed to do so out in off lead/heel walks.
Health testing wouldn’t cost me more than one pup and yes I’d have one back from this bitch.
She likes him as he works on her shoot and she’s seen him out all season.
There’s people keen for a pup.
Those above are pluses.

Minuses -
He doesn’t move very well in front, but elbow testing would highlight if that was an issue, and I will get it done anyway so I know if it’s likely to become one.
He is very young and in fact that’s a valid point, maybe give him a year or two to calm down, although he’s pretty horizontal if there’s no birds out there.

If you would want a pup yourself then that changes things for me and I’d get all the health testing done and see where you stand then.

 

[MurphysMinder]

It certainly doesn't change all dogs into sex pests. When I had a GSD stud dog he became very discerning in knowing when a bitch was ready and didn't show any interest until then. Conversely, our eldest Lancashire Heeler is and always has been a total sex pest. Despite being castrated for nearly 11 years it was him who told me the GSD pup was in season before she was showing any signs. He has been told off many times for humping (thankfully has never done it to humans) but really doesn't give a s**t !

 

[Thistle]

So reading your reply, that you like the bitch and you want a pup makes me say go for it BUT at a time to suit you. When is she due in season? Could the owner be persuaded to wait another season (or will that coincide with shooting?)

 

[Clodagh]

So reading your reply, that you like the bitch and you want a pup makes me say go for it BUT at a time to suit you. When is she due in season? Could the owner be persuaded to wait another season (or will that coincide with shooting?)

She’ll be due in July if she’s a six monthly. Which is an awful time tbh as I have to cope with a pup when I’m super busy. We’ll see. I will get him x rayed and go from there.

 

[Thistle]

She’ll be due in July if she’s a six monthly. Which is an awful time tbh as I have to cope with a pup when I’m super busy. We’ll see. I will get him x rayed and go from there.

So surely better to breed her in Jan 2024 then, Mating in July would mean that she miss the first half of the season and be barely fit enough for the rest as well as having pups needing new homes in Nov? which most working dog people wouldn't want.

A mating in Jan/Feb would give pups born late March/Early April, ready to go to new homes in June. She'd only miss a week or two of the season after mating, pups reared through the spring and Scout 6 months older and much more mature. It's a win win all round for me!

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Both of mine have been used at stud and didn't turn into sex pests.

I know a lot of males who have been used...what you allow is what will continue, if a dog is humping and marking, tell it to knock it off.

We had entire dogs and bitches living together when I was growing up, we never had any problems because that kind of behaviour wasn't allowed.

 

[MurphysMinder]

I agree that it would be better to breed in January, far better time to have pups even without factoring in the shooting season . How old is the bitch ? Only reason not to leave would be if she was going to be too old for a first litter.

 

[Clodagh]

So surely better to breed her in Jan 2024 then, Mating in July would mean that she miss the first half of the season and be barely fit enough for the rest as well as having pups needing new homes in Nov? which most working dog people wouldn't want.

A mating in Jan/Feb would give pups born late March/Early April, ready to go to new homes in June. She'd only miss a week or two of the season after mating, pups reared through the spring and Scout 6 months older and much more mature. It's a win win all round for me!

Well it’s up to her, if I go ahead, as she’ll be the one doing the work. I agree with you about the dates though.

 

[Thistle]

Well it’s up to her, if I go ahead, as she’ll be the one doing the work. I agree with you about the dates though.

Not just her decision if being a little older would benefit Scout and you will be having a pup. Yes she has to do much of the work but I'm guessing that she hasn't thought the dates through going forward and the implications for the shoot season.

 

[Clodagh]

Not just her decision if being a little older would benefit Scout and you will be having a pup. Yes she has to do much of the work but I'm guessing that she hasn't thought the dates through going forward and the implications for the shoot season.

I’ll certainly bear it in mind. Good points. I’m still not convinced anyway, but have been thinking about getting his x rays done anyway so this will push me into the decision.

 

[druid]

Doesn't change the dog if you don't allow bad behaviour - I've 4 entire males here currently who have litters on the ground and another who doesn't. The most experienced lad can run in harness as a pair with an in season bitch without issue. He has no interest until they're actually ready for mating.

 

[Spotherisk]

Louis is no different (well, no worse) for having mated. He lives with an entire and a spayed bitch and didn’t even tell us that Ghillie was in season until she was full in.

I believe he’s outside right now trying to sire his fourth litter with another little Cocker!

 

[Clodagh]

Louis is no different (well, no worse) for having mated. He lives with an entire and a spayed bitch and didn’t even tell us that Ghillie was in season until she was full in.

I believe he’s outside right now trying to sire his fourth litter with another little Cocker!

Well I expect he’s enjoying that. .
Scout has his eye on Agnes

 

[Spotherisk]

Well I expect he’s enjoying that. .
Scout has his eye on Agnes

Scout is correct in that assumption, and Louis and the bitch kindly hopped onto the picnic table so the men could have a sit down during the tie!