Suitable stallions?

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KimberleyH

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Hello,

I'm thinking about putting my 16hh mare into foal next summer and it'll be her first foal. She's got pretty good breeding lines so we want to breed her with something else with a great pedigree, preferably not too old and somewhere nearer the south west /midlands.

Breeding with something that can jump would be massively preferable. Also, her sire was notes for his ill temperament, something I've seen flares of in her, so the stallion would ideally not be volatile!

If anyone can recommend a stallion or a stud in that general area of the country i'd be really grateful! :)

Thank you!!
 
Um breeding of your mare, type your looking for would be good.

Are you wanting to do natural cover? You might be limited as apposed to AI
 
She's a bit of a mixed bag, her dam is selle francaise though and her sire is Pouchka III, I can't seem to find out what his breeding is though.

Looking for something with a bit of arab possibly, as long as its not something not too chunky, but not really too fussy, it just really has to have good lines and have been reasonably successful. Something between 15.3hh and 16.2hh, nothing too big!

I don't really know the main advantages with live cover and AI, probably AI though as I'm not sure her temperament would really suit live cover!
Thanks a lot

:)
 
Thanks for finding that out, maybe that was what I was thinking of when I said selle francaise!

Dont know an awful lot about her dam, but her dam's sire was Demonstrator.

Looking for progeny to event.

Is there anything I can do to prepare my mare for going into foal? Should I have her quite fit and strong, or maybe have been turned away for a few months so is more docile?

Does anyone know if there is significant difference in the build of the foal at birth depending if its sire was of bigger or finer build? We we're tending towards something more lightweight and fine to try and make her first pregnancy less stressful and unpleasant, will this make a difference?

Thank you! :)
 
I know he has been mentioned on another thread but you could look at Valesco who stands at Equine Reproduction near Reading, he is a successful Selle Francais stallion who was a Grade A showjumper and also gained points in dressage who might well fit the bill for you
 
hi in the south west there is a good stud called grafham stud where the famous jumbo stands. also there are other quality stallions which are advanced and them being Breif Encounter, Jigilo and Wish Upon a Star who is by the late Gribaldi.

www.grafhamstud.com
 
If your mare has Demonstrator lines and you are looking at breeding an eventer, you reallly need to be looking at something Thoroughbred or close to TB if you want enough blood to go eventing. Demonstrator is a big old fashioned boy (I have a mare who has him as a grandsire - like yours) and this comes through, so you must make sure you add enough blood!
 
Touchwood said:
If your mare has Demonstrator lines and you are looking at breeding an eventer, you reallly need to be looking at something Thoroughbred or close to TB if you want enough blood to go eventing.
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Like Esteban, perhaps! Not quite South West - even by my geographical standards :D - but close enough. And with chilled semen available, does it matter?

He's not in the UK yet but will be very soon! You'll need to Google him for the owner's website - it's blocked here.

I think he would be very near the top of my list for a TB eventing sire.
 
you say you would like some arab, take a look at anglo-arabs via the arab horse society gb, look at the 3/4 tb 1/4 arab type, they improve on the french horses, infact are incorporated in the s. f. stud book, and compete at very top level eventing produce lighterweight, galloping horses with very nice heads! and improve on warmblood soundness
 
How much Arab do yoiu want to add. I believe Mill Law is 1/8 Arab, otherwise anything with TB or Trak carries alot of Arab, as do many Selle Francais.

If you want to go 1/2 Arab Tobago is stunning.
 
Thistle said:
How much Arab do yoiu want to add. I believe Mill Law is 1/8 Arab, otherwise anything with TB or Trak carries alot of Arab, as do many Selle Francais.

If you want to go 1/2 Arab Tobago is stunning.
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Thanks Thistle! Even I hadn't thought of my boy, as Kimberley didn't sound as though she was thinking of a pure-bred Arab. Also, Tobago is only just 15.2, and she said she was looking for 15.3 to 16.2.

It sounds as though a TB, Anglo-Arab or possibly Trakehner would be the best choice, but I'm hopeless at this sort of thing without seeing a photo of the mare - do you have photo you could post Kimberley?
 
KimberleyH said:
Hello,

I'm thinking about putting my 16hh mare into foal next summer and it'll be her first foal. She's got pretty good breeding lines so we want to breed her with something else with a great pedigree, preferably not too old and somewhere nearer the south west /midlands.

Unless you want to visit the stallion location is not an issue not with AI

Breeding with something that can jump would be massively preferable. Also, her sire was notes for his ill temperament, something I've seen flares of in her, so the stallion would ideally not be volatile! - Looking for something with a bit of arab possibly, as long as its not something not too chunky, but not really too fussy, it just really has to have good lines and have been reasonably successful. Something between 15.3hh and 16.2hh, nothing too big!

At what level? This would narrow down any Arabs or AA's more luck with a PB

She's a bit of a mixed bag, her dam is selle francaise though and her sire is Pouchka III, I can't seem to find out what his breeding is though.

I don't really know the main advantages with live cover and AI, probably AI though as I'm not sure her temperament would really suit live cover!
Thanks a lot

AI opens up the use of stallions outside the UK as well as the other end of the country. A photo of the mare would be more helpful, or an idea of what you are trying to improve on her, along with a full pedigree (so people dont offer stallions too closely related)
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Would agree with CL that if you want to keep the WB then a WB who is proving himself again and again in comp and has a high % of TB blood in him is El Thuder. Very blood himself and all his foals are likewise. I now have a granddaughter of his and a client with one as well and both have inherited the blood.

If you want TB there is always Primitive Academy from Louella, who is proving to come from a very good damline with his maternal sister being now a multiple race winner and his half brother also being run on as a stallion prospect. He himself is a race winner and just a super example of a TB. Otherwise Louella also has Primitive Proposal and others. Not to mention the other super TB sires around the UK.
 
Thanks to everyone for their suggestion, incredibly helpful!

I haven't got any decent photos of her, I'll take on this weekend and upload when next near a computer.

She's about 16hh, she's dark bay with white blaze down her face. I'd describe her as quite heavy up her front end, she's got a massive neck and really well build shoulders. Probably wouldn't want something quite as chunky as this up the front end.

I'd like something i'd be able to compete at CCI */** at least?

Sounds like something arab or part arab would be best due to her big boned frame, and if I wanted to event.

This is proving to be a huge learning curve, so many options out there!!!
 
Thanks everyone so much for your help! This is what my mare looks like, awful photo but you her front end, she's got a really strong neck.

That said, struggling to upload the photo onto here..... Just a moment.

Nope, no idea how to upload a photo .....
 
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I was looking at Valesco however there is a common ancestor of Ibrahim and Osyrus, whose progeny was Elf II however I think they also produced Elf III and thats my mare's paternal grand sire. Thanks for trying though.

:)
 
So...after a talk with my instructor, and given my mares nature, we're thinking

- nothing warmblood
- pony stallion
- something that loves jumping


Thanks everyone for your help! :)
 
So are you looking to significantly reduce height by going to a pony stallion, and why does your instructor say no warmblood? That seems a strangly sweeping statement to make. What is the significant fact about your mares temperament that makes your instructor say that?
 
....that she's a little bit difficult to handle sometimes! She needs calming down, she's doing her best all of the time but I think I got her too late in her life and at the wrong time in mine to have done anything serious with her. She's about 16hh so something a little smaller would suit me much better.

Thanks for all the suggestions
 
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