T.Blair vs The CA. And the winner is....
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GinaB
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Go on the CA! :grin:
Paul T
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All this shows is that the CA is desperate to win anything, absolutely anything, and it got its supporters to vote for itself. Most of them probably have never heard of Channel 4 news, let alone watch it. Apparently Mallalieu and Hoey were booed by the audience, most of whom no doubt recognised what a farce it all was.
antiantianti
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"its supporters to vote for itself"
Who doyou think voted for the other candidates Karl?
Who doyou think voted for the other candidates Karl?
Paul T
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Viewers, not cannonfodder of a failed campaign group, I should imagine.
antiantianti
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So hang on what you are saying is that these systems whereby people voote for things are fundementally flawed because people vote based on what they support?
I'd never thought of it that way. I suppose you could generalise that to all forms of voting. So the only reason that a political party wins an election is that more of the voters supported them than any of the other partys. Totally irrelevant!
Bloody hell Karl you've just pointed out that any system of voting is completely invalid. It merely indicates that the winner had more supporters than the other candidates.
I'd never thought of it that way. I suppose you could generalise that to all forms of voting. So the only reason that a political party wins an election is that more of the voters supported them than any of the other partys. Totally irrelevant!
Bloody hell Karl you've just pointed out that any system of voting is completely invalid. It merely indicates that the winner had more supporters than the other candidates.
bounce_back
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The Countryside Alliance is not only a failed organisation it is also a terrorst organisation.
All hunting is terrorism and all hunt supporters are supporting terrorism.
It is high time that the Countryside Alliance and all other organisations that advocate the abuse or killing of animals were proscribed and membership or support of them made a criminal offense.
Then we will truly be on the road to ridding the world of the scourge that is animal abuse.
All hunting is terrorism and all hunt supporters are supporting terrorism.
It is high time that the Countryside Alliance and all other organisations that advocate the abuse or killing of animals were proscribed and membership or support of them made a criminal offense.
Then we will truly be on the road to ridding the world of the scourge that is animal abuse.
Darkly_Dreaming_Dex
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b*gger off bunce, we are all bored of you.
Eagle_day
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So if the CA is a failed organisation, why should you want to proscribe it?
Paul T
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No, it merely indicates the winner was able to muster more lackies to vote for it than the other candidates - are you really that dim you can't see the difference? I'm sure you're only too well aware of the score, the CA urges its assorted bunch of misfits to deluge the poll via its websites, e-mails, phone calls etc etc. Never mind that half of them are incapable of understanding the news, they just vote because they've been told do by their 'betters'. Meanwhile Channel 4 news claims the winner was voted for by Channel 4 News viewers!
If you're really trying to argue the Countryside Alliance has more supporters than the architects of peace in Northern Ireland then be my guest - it really wouldn't surprise me as you'd argue night is day for England if you had the chance.
If you're really trying to argue the Countryside Alliance has more supporters than the architects of peace in Northern Ireland then be my guest - it really wouldn't surprise me as you'd argue night is day for England if you had the chance.
bounce_back
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Because they are terrorists and all their supporters are terrorists. They should all be thrown in jail.
bounce_back
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You have hit the nail right on the head Karl. the Hunting Fraternity consists of a small number of aristocratic 'Godfathers'. The rest of them are generally illiterate bumpkins who do not have the intelligence to actually possess a view and certainly not one worth listening to. The 'Godfathers' control the votes of the mass through rural ties of allegiance. These people have not yet emerged from the fuedal middle ages, there views count for nothing and should be discounted. They need to be rounded up and re educated to bring them into the modern cruelty free world.
The Countryside Alliance is the largest criminal organisation in Britain and probably the world.
It must be crushed.
peakpark
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Oh dear, well they'd better get started building a lot of new prisons, then.
Paul T
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Yes, carry on taking the tablets.
I wonder how many identities eccentric Giles has on this forum.
I wonder how many identities eccentric Giles has on this forum.
antiantianti
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Sorry Karl, forgive me if I am comming acroiss as a bit thick but are you saying that the vote for the countryside alliance as the most inspiring political personality of 2008 is invalid because:
a) They onbly got the most votes because they inspired more people to vote for them
and
b) half of the votes should have been discounted because they were from thick people?
a) They onbly got the most votes because they inspired more people to vote for them
and
b) half of the votes should have been discounted because they were from thick people?
Paul T
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Don't worry Giles, I've got used to your obtuse postings.
No, you've misrepresented my views. I'll try to put it more simply for you - this poll gives no indication of the views of most Channel 4 News viewers; it doesn't even indicate the views of most Channel 4 News viewers who could be bothered to vote. It is a useless award because, at best, all it does is indicate how deperate the CA is to win an award. It engineered its own victory - what an achievement!
No wonder Mallalieu and Hoey were booed and heckled at the award ceremony.
No, you've misrepresented my views. I'll try to put it more simply for you - this poll gives no indication of the views of most Channel 4 News viewers; it doesn't even indicate the views of most Channel 4 News viewers who could be bothered to vote. It is a useless award because, at best, all it does is indicate how deperate the CA is to win an award. It engineered its own victory - what an achievement!
No wonder Mallalieu and Hoey were booed and heckled at the award ceremony.
antiantianti
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So really having votes on political issues is a waste of time because the people who win will have engineered their victory.
Didn't Labour engineer their victory then? Did the Labour victory mean nothing because it merely indicated how desperate they were to win an election?
Surely the vote did represent fairly the views of all the people who could be bothered to vote which is pretty much the same as for any election.
I mean not being funny but isn't politics at least partly about inspiring people to vote?
Say the Irish ppl won (I beleive they came last) would you make the same comment about them?
Didn't Labour engineer their victory then? Did the Labour victory mean nothing because it merely indicated how desperate they were to win an election?
Surely the vote did represent fairly the views of all the people who could be bothered to vote which is pretty much the same as for any election.
I mean not being funny but isn't politics at least partly about inspiring people to vote?
Say the Irish ppl won (I beleive they came last) would you make the same comment about them?
Antoine
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What absolutely incredible news! And it only cost Alliance members £100,000 in calls to the premium rate voting line. More money well spent! LOL!
Paul T
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We're talking about a television award Giles, not an election.
Anyway, you've changed your tune. Earlier you argued: 'the winner had more supporters than the other candidates.' Now you're arguing the vote fairly represented the views of all people who could be bothered to vote. Which is it to be?
Anyway, you've changed your tune. Earlier you argued: 'the winner had more supporters than the other candidates.' Now you're arguing the vote fairly represented the views of all people who could be bothered to vote. Which is it to be?
Antoine
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Even if this award is a little bit discredited, at least hunting was one of the top ten British icons (together with the campaign to ban it lol!).
antiantianti
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Well I was making the fairly obvious point that amongs all the people who voted the CA had more supporters than the other candidates.
antiantianti
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"We're talking about a television award Giles, not an election. "
Of course but then according to you the result of voting is invalidated if the people who stand attempt to engineer a victory by mobilising support and also if they are keen to win.
Of course but then according to you the result of voting is invalidated if the people who stand attempt to engineer a victory by mobilising support and also if they are keen to win.
Antoine
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The Countryside Alliance has the potential to play a vital part in the stewardship of the countryside, but to the public it's synonymous with a fanatical pro-hunting lobby. This "victory" merely reinforces that image: whenever there's any sort of tv or radio vote its members start frothing at the mouth and put their phones to the premium rate lines on redial.
I just wish people like antiantianti would put his/her efforts into preventing animal cruelty rather than campaigning fanatically for the return of chasing deer for three hours so that it's too exhausted to move while some idiot dressed like a pantomime extra prepares to put a bullet into it.
I just wish people like antiantianti would put his/her efforts into preventing animal cruelty rather than campaigning fanatically for the return of chasing deer for three hours so that it's too exhausted to move while some idiot dressed like a pantomime extra prepares to put a bullet into it.
antiantianti
Well-Known Member
But I don't want the right to shoot the deer my dogs flush out. I want the right NOT to shoot it.
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
Why does what the person is wearing matter in this context?
Eagle_day
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No, we're OK, PP. Gutless Gordo's got his sums wrong, he can't afford to build any more prisons.
And remember all that talk about a prison-ship being drafted in to meet the shortfall? All p!ss and wind, just the same as the rest of our enemies.
And remember all that talk about a prison-ship being drafted in to meet the shortfall? All p!ss and wind, just the same as the rest of our enemies.
Eagle_day
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"Because they are terrorists and all their supporters are terrorists. They should all be thrown in jail."
In what way does the CA use terror to further its political aims?
We've seen NELS torch the Essex & Suffolk kennels a couple of years ago. And the Notts & Derby lot have been fairly active this season: from terrorising children in Nottinghamshire; being arrested en masse for aggravated trespass in Derbyshire; and most recently, I believe, only last weekend, becoming intimately acquainted with the inside of Lincoln police station.
In what way does the CA use terror to further its political aims?
We've seen NELS torch the Essex & Suffolk kennels a couple of years ago. And the Notts & Derby lot have been fairly active this season: from terrorising children in Nottinghamshire; being arrested en masse for aggravated trespass in Derbyshire; and most recently, I believe, only last weekend, becoming intimately acquainted with the inside of Lincoln police station.
Starbucks
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Why talk such a load of bollocks??
the watcher
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'The Countryside Alliance is the largest criminal organisation in Britain and probably the world.
It must be crushed'
At first I assumed that 'bounce_back' was bunce in another guise, and I will happily debate with anybody as all views interest me. However bunce disappointingly refused to ever answer a direct question so was a very poor debater.
bounce_back is even worse in that respect, the quote above and others in this thread, could only come form somebody who is seriously delusional. either that or it is Giles playing games again.
It must be crushed'
At first I assumed that 'bounce_back' was bunce in another guise, and I will happily debate with anybody as all views interest me. However bunce disappointingly refused to ever answer a direct question so was a very poor debater.
bounce_back is even worse in that respect, the quote above and others in this thread, could only come form somebody who is seriously delusional. either that or it is Giles playing games again.