Talk to me about Liverpool cream

[Greyirish]

Hi, looking for people’s experiences with Liverpool/AW5 cream getting rid of their horse’s sarcoids.

Firstly, please can I ask that people only provide experiences they’ve had with the cream and not suggest alternatives such as lasering/sudocreme/toothpaste/turmeric and the rest! My boy has been booked in for this treatment after long consideration and research so I’m looking to hear about the cream only please

My 4 year old has a small, flat verrucose sarcoid between his front legs, about 2-3 inches in front of where the girth sits. Unfortunately it has grown in size, and over the last week I have also noticed a couple more hairless/scaly looking lumps on his chest.

How did your horse cope with the treatment? How long did it take for the sarcoid to fall off in total? Any other tips/advice? Thanks!

 

[meleeka]

Mine had several removed at once after lasering them failed. In hindsight I would have got him sedated each time it was applied, as he did find it uncomfortable and it made him wary of the vet. He was on bute and apart from a lot of swelling, he was fine between treatments. They didn’t actually fall off on their own, but died off where they were easily tugged off.

They didn’t come back.

 

[The Xmas Furry]

Had 1 ISH with a large level 4 one just behind girth.
Booked him in to stay with the vets for 6 nights whilst they applied the cream there. It actually worked out slightly cheaper then, than 3 x vet visits to me in same period! We decided this route in case he needed sedating after the 1st application.
Took about 2 weeks for it to drop away, had to keep it covered in yellow fly cream to keep it from fly issues.
Took another 3 to 4 weeks for the hole left to completely knit across, though I did ride after 2 weeks, ensuring it was still yellow cream covered.
Sold him 3 months later declaring it, no further issues to date (that was 2013)

 

[Greyirish]

Mine had several removed at once after lasering them failed. In hindsight I would have got him sedated each time it was applied, as he did find it uncomfortable and it made him wary of the vet. He was on bute and apart from a lot of swelling, he was fine between treatments. They didn’t actually fall off on their own, but died off where they were easily tugged off.

They didn’t come back.

Thank you for this! I’m also considering sedating as a precaution. He’s a sensitive soul who won’t even let you put fly spray on him so I want the process to be as stress free as possible.

 

[Greyirish]

Had 1 ISH with a large level 4 one just behind girth.
Booked him in to stay with the vets for 6 nights whilst they applied the cream there. It actually worked out slightly cheaper then, than 3 x vet visits to me in same period! We decided this route in case he needed sedating after the 1st application.
Took about 2 weeks for it to drop away, had to keep it covered in yellow fly cream to keep it from fly issues.
Took another 3 to 4 weeks for the hole left to completely knit across, though I did ride after 2 weeks, ensuring it was still yellow cream covered.
Sold him 3 months later declaring it, no further issues to date (that was 2013)

Thank you! That is really good to hear. I’m hoping the wound won’t be so large that I can’t put a girth on him. He’s only just coming back into work after being out of action for something unrelated so would be a shame to have another long period off when he’s just got going again. Good to know about the yellow fly cream too.

 

[MiJodsR2BlinkinTite]

My old boy had a sarcoid near to his manly-bits and vet suggested Liverpool cream.

Because of where the problem was situated got the feeling that vet had to change his trousers when he got home, but the Cream did do the trick no problems and there wasn't a recurrence.

 

[TPO]

I've used it on two horses.

First horse had a flat plaque sarcoid on his neck. This was circa 2008/9 so my memory is hazy with details. Basically it worked and horse wasn't in any discomfort with the cream. The sarcoid fell off and then a white lump like an unsugared jelly tot fell out leaving a hole. It healed up nicely leaving only a small dent.

Horse had been kept in very poor condition and had the sarcoid when I bought him. The seller and her sister tried to pass it off as a new scab because of a bite but the sister was a prolific poster of photos on here and it could be seen in older photos on here. So possibly related to him being very run down and malnourished?

Second horse didn't have such a smooth time of it.

She was a healthy horse but had been under stress including a hospital stay and surgery for something unrelated. She popped a little cluster of small sarcoids on her pectorals where the girth would lie.

It transpired that as different vets from my then practice were coming out to treat some had only been doing the first 2 they felt and others doing a different 2. No one seemed to have been consistently treating all of them ??‍

This angered the sarcoids somewhat. They got bigger and angrier and a huge plaque one appeared on the inside of her hind leg high up.

I changed practice for various reasons and new practice began treating her after sending photos to Prof K again.

She was really sore and the sarcoids got really inflamed and angry. She was on a fair bit of danolin and lots of barrier cream.

They did all fall off eventually. This was 2009 and she was pts 2010 so don't know if they would have come back. She was a sensitive TB chestnut mare so I don't know of that contributed to her extreme discomfort during treatment.

I know you said cream users only so ignore the rest if you want.

I bought yet another horse in poor condition. He arrived with me aged 2 as a bag of malnourished bones.

I don't know if it's relevant but on my first yard he was grazing next to a field of cattle. When I was over talking to him and the cattle one day (as you do!) I noticed that a lot of thr cattle had warts/sarcoids on their muzzles.

There was a link between cattle warts/hpv, flies and horses. There were a LOT of flies at initial yard because it was close to the forestry and there were scabby nosed cattle. So possibly a link when horses whole system was rundown making him more susceptible?

I moved yards for unrelated reasons and by this time horse was a healthy weight and in good health. I noticed what I presumed to be a sarcoid appear on the shaft of his p3nis. It could only be seen when everything was hanging out or when he was urinating.

A small one also appeared on his chest. I chose to be wilfully neglectful towards them. My new practice are very thorough and I was pretty sure they'd want to do *something*. Having had such a bad experience with my mare and given the location of the main sarcoid I didn't fancy any of the treatment options that I knew about.

I was *that* person who fed turmeric and applied a turmeric/nappy cream mix to the one on his chest.

Both got initially bigger to the size of blueberries. The chest one then popped with a lot of blood, healed up and never reappeared. The shaft of p3nis one started to shrivel up then vanished.

He also has a very small cluster to the inside of an elbow. After reading something on here I fed him global herbs sarcx and bought the cream too. I fed one tub and used the cream two or three times. This was the start of winter last year if I remember correctly. I forgot about them until my dad asked the other day and when I checked they were gone.

I do have to say that I didn't get a vet diagnosis of sarcoids for the third horse so although to all intents and purposes they presented like sarcoids they might not have been.

Also the only thing reliable about sarcoids is their unreliability so every chance that they would have done what they did regardless of turmeric or global herbs supp but at the end of the day they are gone. The initial "blueberries" were seeing 2015 and haven't returned.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

Dolly had a small flat sarcoid about the size of a finger nail. It started scabbing over and oozing when flies got to it last summer so we treated wuth Liverpool cream at the end of the season. She was treated 4 times over 2 weeks iirc. Nothing ever fell off - there was no root and therefore no hole. The area swelled and then scabbed. It looked worse after treatment because the cream burns healthy skin as well as the sarcoid.

After treatment had finished we were left with a raised hard area the size of a palm - see picutre. So in the pic you can see the sarcoid in the middle but that scab eventually just fell off without leaving a hole. The other scabs were just from the cream. She was uncomfortable during the 2 weeks of trreatment and was on bute but within 3-4 days of finishing the treatment she seemed totally unbothered and you could prod the area with no reaction. The skin softened up and swelling went down over a few weeks. It was very uneventful and total cost was about £800 for all the vet visits, the protocol from Leahurst, the cream itself and the follow up.

 

[eggs]

Used on one of my horses that had a number of sarcoids that couldn't be banded. He took it very well and the vet, who is usually very caution, didn't feel the need to sedate him for the applications. They did all fall off but did reappear a while later. A different vet then applied the cream and did say that they thought the other vet may not have put enough cream on and definitely did put more on. This time they fell off and 6 years later there has been no reoccurrence.

He was treated at home and my understanding is that for the majority of horses it is at best uncomfortable.