Tb a bit full of it! Feed? Lack of work? Riggy?

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Morning everyone!

I'm looking for a bit of advice. My tb has always been very sharp, easily hots up and is generally quite stressy. Since moving him home, he has chilled out loads as it's much quieter and he doesn't have to worry about others horses routines etc. He is here at home with my other horse, an idxwb who is a companion due to his arthritis.

Recently he's become a bit of a handful. Mainly when turning out. He's led in a chiffney (settled in it, accepts it and TBH anything less, when he has a moment, I'd stand no chance holding him!). He's not rude by any means, does respect my space etc but gets his knickers in a knot! Now, he walks nicely from his stable to the field (5 metres away), will stand for a treat whilst I release him and then just tanks off! That is fine, he's been in all night and is excited!! By the time I get my other boy out, he comes galloping over, biting his flanks, his legs etc! However, this morning he mounted my other boy whilst I was holding him, trying to release him! Which resulted in him rearing up above my head and flying forwards etc! I managed to back the tb up whilst swinging my id around to get him back in the field and managed to let him go and get out before I got caught in the middle again!

My id is a very dominant horse and generally rules! However my tb is very playful! Hence the nipping etc, which generally results in my id turning back on him and shredding his rugs!!

The tb isn't in work due to my child committments and basically lack of time etc! Last winter he coped fine and was pretty chilled overall. They're turned out between 6.30 am-4pm. Both very happy to come in (would come in at 9am if allowed as I muck out in the morning and they both stand at gate whilst I do so!). Whilst turned out they both get their exercise, have a good gallop about and at the moment are spending most of their time up on their back legs, front legs sparring! I would really love to work him, however all I could do is lunge at weekends. I don't think this would help, he's one of those that if in work, is in daily! I could get someone in but it would work out expensive as would cost at least £20 a session!

I think my tb's freshness is due to his feed. He is currently on haylage which I don't like putting an unworked horse on but I didn't really have a choice. He was on hay for a week but was coughing no end, despite soaking it, steaming it (in a haygain) etc. This has now stopped on haylage. At the time I thought, he's a tb so I don't need to worry weight wise and he'd chilled out so much I thought temperment we'll manage! Also, the past month I'v switched them onto simple systems feeds. He has 1/4 scoop of greengold with total eclipse and joint eclipse twice a day, so not a great deal. We also got advised on blue bag grass nuts, however I haven't fed him these, I was keeping them for when he needs them in the depths of winter (starting to wonder if I'll need them at all!). They haven't got much grass in field now either.

So basically I was wondering what you think?! Is there anything you would do different? Are they all a bit nutty at the moment? Normally I'd perservere, however he just seems to be getting a bit above himself out in the field. I can't separate the two of them either as we're on clay soil and the posts just sink and fall over as they then do it over the fence! My tb was cut as a 4 yo whilst in racing.

Sorry it's a bit long! Thanks for getting this far!!
 
Perhaps turn the ID out first or turn them out together.

If I turned my mare out into the field before everyone else she would get very stressy and gallop around like a loon. If she is 2nd to go out, she will have a canter when you let her go but settles quickly.
However if she is last to go out, she will rear in her stable. Fussy mare :rolleyes:
 
Perhaps turn the ID out first or turn them out together.

If I turned my mare out into the field before everyone else she would get very stressy and gallop around like a loon. If she is 2nd to go out, she will have a canter when you let her go but settles quickly.
However if she is last to go out, she will rear in her stable. Fussy mare :rolleyes:

I have to turn my tb out first, otherwise my id won't let the tb in! He's very dominant! Plus if my tb doesn't go out first, he's literally galloping around his stable! It's literally 5 metres in front of the stables also! The tb's always gone out first and normally just bumbles off, until the id is out and then they have a "play"! Just don't know what's going on with him lately!
 
Agree with this ^^
Also do you feed haylage in the field? This might calm to play fighting down.

I feed soaked hay in the field (my tb doesn't cough on hay from field!), can't feed haylage as my id is a very good doer! Yes, they have hay in a feeder! This does keep them busy for a bit!!
 
Give him a job to do??

Do you reckon I could get him mucking out for me?! LOL!

I agree he would benefit from work, it's just not possible at the moment due to committments. He wasn't in work last winter and it didn't affect him in the slightest, so long as he got daily turnout he was fine.
 
How long is it since he was gelded? My sec a was gelded at 4 and it took him a good couple of years to calm down & stop being 'riggy'

He's 13 now, so a while ago! He's been known to mount geldings before when he was on livery but it's the first time I'v witnessed it. I'v not had him blood tested neither so unsure on the hormone side of things.
 
Do you reckon I could get him mucking out for me?! LOL!

I agree he would benefit from work, it's just not possible at the moment due to committments. He wasn't in work last winter and it didn't affect him in the slightest, so long as he got daily turnout he was fine.

It can be difficult, I know.

He doesn't sound riggy in the slightest. Just well and needing some work.

Why not look for a loan for him?
 
It can be difficult, I know.

He doesn't sound riggy in the slightest. Just well and needing some work.

Why not look for a loan for him?

I do agree that he's feeling well!! I couldn't loan him away as my id would be alone which I don't want to do! Also, I doubt there are many people that would want to share him, he's not the easiest and is very sharp to ride! I'v had people come before (when I'v been away) to house sit and they've blatantly said they won't get on him! Don't get me wrong, he's not dangerous, just very special!!! It's not wise to hack him around here neither as he naps and you can't get a round circuit from here unless you go down the a15! Plus he's not the most confident alone. He's not great in a comp environment either! Gets very stressed then takes ages to get him back in box! TBH, I don't think he would be very appealing to people!!

It's a shame, he's such a lovely horse! Just had years of racing, then he was stabled in a riding school for 2 years for sale with no turnout!!!
 
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He sounds like a very playful boy and I find geldings like this tend to do better in bigger groups as a) they have more of a social hierarchy to think about and b) they have more playmates. But I realise this isn't a very helpfull comment.

Have you considered giving them toys to play with? My playful gelding loves his decaheadron - god knows what he'd get up to if he didn't have that to distract him!

I'd also try and keep them out longer - 4.30pm is quite early to come in IMO even with a 6.30am turnout... just my opinion though, I'm sure others will disagree!

Have you considered advertising for a sharer to exercise him a couple of days a week? He sounds like he needs something to keep his brain ticking...

There are some very good supplements on the market that might help him metabolise the haylage a bit better .. have you considered this?
 
He could stay at home to be loaned, could work very well for you. Or indeed have them out for longer - as CBFan has suggested.



Anyway, good luck with him.
 
He sounds like a very playful boy and I find geldings like this tend to do better in bigger groups as a) they have more of a social hierarchy to think about and b) they have more playmates. But I realise this isn't a very helpfull comment.

Have you considered giving them toys to play with? My playful gelding loves his decaheadron - god knows what he'd get up to if he didn't have that to distract him!

I'd also try and keep them out longer - 4.30pm is quite early to come in IMO even with a 6.30am turnout... just my opinion though, I'm sure others will disagree!

Have you considered advertising for a sharer to exercise him a couple of days a week? He sounds like he needs something to keep his brain ticking...

There are some very good supplements on the market that might help him metabolise the haylage a bit better .. have you considered this?

Yes, he's very playful!!! They both have decahedrons in the field to play with which entertains them for about 20 mins but does help! TBH, if they were left out any later, they'd be a lot worse! Last night I got them in about 15 minutes late and they were both galloping about and came in steaming! They really don't like being left out! Plus if I was to leave them out any later it would have to be until 8pm as I'd be doing baby tea, bath and bed until then!
No, I hadn't thought about the supplements, what would these do then?
 
Lead them both out together. If the ID doesn't like it its tough, he will need to learn to get over it! :rolleyes:

My old TB was fine summer on her own, second there was no grass, if I turned her out on her own and then went back for her field mate, she went beserk. Not like her at all.

Either that or wack some boots on him and leave him to it.
 
Lead them both out together. If the ID doesn't like it its tough, he will need to learn to get over it! :rolleyes:

My old TB was fine summer on her own, second there was no grass, if I turned her out on her own and then went back for her field mate, she went beserk. Not like her at all.

Either that or wack some boots on him and leave him to it.

I'd lead them out together but they're both in chiffneys which are tricky and to remove one handed if they're playing up! The id has his own issues!! :rolleyes:

My tb is normally much happier going out first, he actually prefers it, than watching the other go out before him! As for the id going out first, he can of course but it just means myself getting stuck in the middle of baring teeth and flying hooves! Although that is the situation I'm currently in, without the added stress of the tb going out second!! It's swings and roundabouts!

I will insist on getting these horses with issues! I think probably my best bet is to get the tb back in work. It's annoying that I can't do it myself but I'm already stretching myself thin! I can either work him at about 10pm myself, get someone in to ride him a few times in the week (costing), or find someone to share him (at no cost to themselves).
 
I used to have a sharp share. Had no idea until arranging more recent ones how good it is for a sharer's reputation!

That was by no means why I had him though.

Perhaps advertise a (free/cheap) share on the condition sharer has a few lessons with a trainer you trust? I've always done that during my shares, helps with consistency for the horse.
 
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I used to have a sharp share. Had no idea until arranging more recent ones how good it is for a sharer's reputation!

That was by no means why I had him though.

Perhaps advertise a (free/cheap) share on the condition sharer has a few lessons with a trainer you trust? I've always done that during my shares, helps with consistency for the horse.

That's a good idea! Yes, that is a big concern of mine! It's taken me a long time to get him out of racehorse mode! It wouldn't take much to get him back there in the wrong hands! Plus I wouldn't want to confuse him!
 
If you put an electric fenced off semi circle around the inside of the gate you can put one horse in the field and bring the other out, whilst still having that barrier between horse youre leading and the horse in the field.
 
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