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Hi i would like for my boy to gain a little more condition, He is turned out everyday, but the field is slightly over populated! so grass is scarce (for his needs anyway.) He has had the last week off of which id hoped he would put on a little weight but he hasnt really. The hay at our yard is not brilliant at the moment. Luckily in september we are allowed to start using the haylage, not allowed to buy our own due to storage space.
Any feed suggestions? What has worked for you?
 
Assuming worming/teeth all ok then I'd recommend Spillers Slow Release energy cubes fed with Alfalfa or conditioning chaff, a vit/min supp and oil- linseed is good.

Have also had good results with feeding either Spillers conditioning cubes / Baileys No4 Topline cubes, together with plenty of good quality hay/haylage.
 
I have the same problem with my trakehner - too many horses, not enough grass. I supplement his forage with haylage, D&H build up cubes, cool mix and a good glug of linseed oil. He has kept his condition better this year.
When he comes in at night in the autumn, he does better because he can have a huge stack of haylage to himself in the stable overnight.
 
My TB can be quite skinny I use Alfa Beet which is a mixture of speedibeet & alfa a which you soak and feed. You can feed this as a full feed or in combination with nuts. It puts on and keeps weight on him but in the right way. fabuous stuff! I personally use a basic nut with his feed as he is in work and a glug of sunflower oil or soya oil.
Be careful not to over load him with mix as it is full of sugars which can make them excitable if not in work or on restircted turn out etc. as this will not encourage weight gain Also be aware that nuts and mix of the same type eg slow release energy cubes and slow release energy mix are not the same thing in different packaging they are made up of different components. I you want mor einfo onthis then i recommend you contact the compnay which makes your feed eg D&H, Spillers etc and ask their advice they are usually incredibly helpful.
Hope you have some joy getting weight on your boy with winter turning up half way through summer think we all may have some issues this year
 
Baileys No. 4 are brilliant for weight gain, also Linseed (you can buy it ready cooked now) is a good and cheap conditioner. Have heard Alfa-Beet is pretty good too.
 
I have a TB and I use to have the same problem. I use Baileys No.4 and Alpha A!He soon put the weight that he needed to and I didnt have to stop riding him. I also put a light weight rug on him when it is raining.
 
Topline conditioning cubes are a very good addition to the diet, however ()I am sure it doesn't happen to most horses I did find my TB got slightly over heated on them - although saying that pasture mix used to blow his brain so maybe he was just 'unique'!! Sugar beet and linseed are also very effective, especially in the winter when the grass is scarce
 
LindaW gets boring now... Winergy are bringing out the feed they just trialled in 6 weeks, it's a conditioning feed for mature horses. It really does work! It'd be worth trying the Growth, which is what mine are on in the interim.

I'm not coming back to any feed threads for a while now, feel like a broken record - hey I'm evangalistic!!!! :runsoffandhides:
 
ha LindaW you sound like me!!!! think we should start a winergy fan club! i'm almost embarrassed the amount i rant about it but feel like everyone should try it to see how bloody good it is x
 
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LindaW gets boring now... Winergy are bringing out the feed they just trialled in 6 weeks, it's a conditioning feed for mature horses. It really does work!

[/ QUOTE ] Well judging from some of the threads on here, quite a few of the testers of this new feed weren't overly impressed! I understand some horses wouldn't eat all their rations and some even developed an allergic reaction to it!
 
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ha LindaW you sound like me!!!! think we should start a winergy fan club! i'm almost embarrassed the amount i rant about it but feel like everyone should try it to see how bloody good it is x

[/ QUOTE ] Gosh, yes, you would almost think you had some links to Winergy wouldn't you, but of course that's not the case.
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I haven't got any link to them at all.... Work as a civil servant, and own/hunt/compete 4 horse and a pony.

Hmm, just had a look and apart from one thread before we all got the feed, there are only 2 I can find, and they seem quite positive (ones about growth)

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3344205/an/0/page/5#3344205

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3218980/an/0/page/14#3218980

Would be interested in reading the one where a horse suffered an allergic reaction, because thats def not been the case with mine - and they ate it no problem.

Hand on heart I liked the feed, I liked how much weight a hard keeper and a previously very ill horse put on. I've tried other feeds in the past, some have been good, others not so, and it very much does depend on the individual horse, but I have never seen horses improve like these 2 did on the trial.
 
Sorry Linda, I wasn't referring to you but to Scarlett! As to the allergic reaction, I recall that it was at least two of Silver FLorin's horses that had the allergic reaction - I will see if I can find the thread later. While I appreciate it worked for your horses, it wasn't so successful for others, and I think it is important that potential purchasers are aware of the pros AND the cons - it is not quite the 'miracle feed' that some people (and I don't mean you) make out.
 
yawn ,yawn, can't actually believe we are talking about this again. appologies to hedge_hunter who i am sure never intended for her genuine and interesting post to end up with petty, sly and digging comments.

love winergy as a brand, am pround of how well my horses look and am thankful to them for their help. not going to stop talking about it so get over it.
 
Thank you for your mature and rational reply.
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Sorry you feel that way - I was just trying to have a bit of debate and put both sides of the coin, which is the nature of this kind of forum. I'm not sure why you seem so upset, I don't see where I have said anything offensive.
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You have said before that you don't work for Winergy and I have to take your word for that, as indicated in my post above. I'm presuming that you don't work for any agency or consultancy working for Winergy, or are sponsored by them or receive free products from them, or received any other kind of benefit or remuneration from them because I'm sure you would be upfront and declare that interest on here as well.
 
Goodness me, I really don't ever want to have to explain myself again. I am just a normal person that likes their feed.

debate is good, we all know not all feeds suit all horses but i can only recommend what i have used and what i believe in and i'm afraid as far as feed goes, that is winergy.

rather than pick holes in winergy suggestions would it not be more helpful to the original post to make other suggestions based on your own experiences?

all of your snide remarks are uncalled for. i could comment on how it almost sounds like you work for a winergy competitor - but i wouldn't be that petty.

can we all get back to normal now?
 
Interesting that you haven't actually answered my question! I'm very impressed by your brand loyalty and even more impressed to see that on another thread you knew that the feed testers had to return their questionnaire in order to get their free thank you mug from Winergy.

And to answer your question (although you haven't properly answered mine), no I don't work for a Winergy competitor at all, and I have no links financial or otherwise to any feed companies or suppliers (actually I must modify that and say that my daughter won a Marriages feed voucher - but I have never mentioned their feeds on here!). I am, however, very interested in the whole area of equine nutrition and you will see that I regularly help forum users with their feeding queries - recommending a whole spectrum of feeds from various manufacturers.

I'm also very interested in internet issues, and you would be amazed to hear of this phenomenon called 'viral' or 'buzz' marketing. Representatives of companies actually register onto internet forums pretending to be satisfied consumers and keep plugging the product. Don't you think that is underhand and dishonest? It would definitely make me think twice about any company that employed such tactics - wouldn't it you?

So you can see why I am keen to see where people are coming from on this forum, and I am afraid I will continue to question people as I feel fit. I really don't see why there is any need to be defensive about it.
 
i don't work for winergy, doubt they'd sponsor me and my mis-fit bunch if i begged them! have a fleece i won from their newsletter once if you count that as any form of financial obligation?

if you want to continue this pointless conversation please pm me as i'm sure other users are as bored of this as i am.

i thought this forum was about having fun, talking to like minded people about the animals we love - not picking each other to pieces.

this gives me welcome breaks from work where i mindessly input data for the nhs, not the underhand, mastermind of winergy you have portrayed me to be.

i'm sorry to everyone else who has read this rubbish and am going sadly back to tapping away at my spreadsheet.
 
I'm afraid I won't be taking this to PMs as I see no need to and although you may find it boring I don't, and I know several other users are interested too, as they have PM'd me to that effect!

I'm not really sure why this has actually become such an issue. My OH is a farrier and when I answer farriery related topics I usually mention this in my answer. If I didn't mention it and someone asked me if I was a farrier or related to one, then I would be most happy to tell them, so I suppose that is why I don't understand why you are so offended.
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I must say you must have missed your vocation as a politician, because you have mastered the art of half answering a question! You have told us you don't work for Winergy, but not whether you work for a consultancy or agency who do work for Winergy or whether you receive any financial benefit from them at all, so you must understand why I am intrigued as to why you are skirting round my questions!

I don't think you have been reading my posts properly, as nowhere have I portrayed you as an underhand mastermind of Winergy, I have merely politely asked you a question, which you seem to be reluctant to answer fully, which naturally makes me start to draw my own conclusions.

I too come to this website for fun and advice, but also to enjoy some healthy debate. You are welcome to post your opinions, but equally I am welcome to post mine even if they disagree with yours, as long as they are civil and within the T&Cs. Likewise, I am entitled to ask questions of people, although I am aware that they are quite within their rights not to answer them.
 
Tsk, enough already! Bickering doesn't help the OP.

OP, I would reccomend that you try the winergy, with the caveat that one person's horse/horses 'may' have had an allergic reaction to the feed, and start slowly like you would do with any change of feed.

On the threads I found, the response was overall favourable, as it also seemed to be on other forum, so certainly worth a try.

Alternatively, equijewel (sp?) has had some good reviews from a friend of mine who has a stud, and I'd have tried that next had not the winergy been so good.

Good luck, it'd be interesting if you share how you get on - no matter what you actually go for.
 
I am not bickering, but merely posting civil replies to what has posted by others, I really don't see why I can't point out some of the problems people have encountered with the Winergy feed trial - the allergic reaction is one, and the fact that a lot of horses seem reluctant to eat the whole ration is another, plus while some horses did gain condition some, like the Haflinger, didn't seem to improve at all. These are all factors that the OP might like to take into consideration. I'm not knocking the feed, but just trying to show the other side of the coin and highlight problems which might occur. All feeds have their downsides for some horses, but as the Winergy has been lauded so highly by some on here, I just thought the balance needed to be redressed.

The OP has already received lots of valuable advice about other feeds, which is why I didn't feel to add my own advice on this occasion.
 
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