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What a awful sight at Exeter sales yesterday, 3 tbs went through the ring and one made £20 and the other two made £50. Both sold. One other tb mare made a bit more but was in such a awful state. I know the horse market at the bottom end is bad but iv never seen horses make such little money in our local sales. I just hope whoever brought them has the money for their upkeep and didnt just view them as a cheap one to sell on and provide a perm loving home.
 
Well given that they go for freee in my neck of the woods(I'm nearer the source) that sounds pretty expensive. Hopefully they found a good home or they meet a swift end :(
 
I brought a lovely tb from that sales years ago and cost me £400, which I was more than happy with but £20/£50 is so so sad. The poor 5 yr old tb who had awful injuries on her ( inc 1 stitched up wound) v under weight, really dull wormy looking coat just looked so sad and lifeless but made a bit more at £150 I think or just under. So I think somebody must of took pity on her and decided she was going home with them. I really wanted her but being truthful to myself I can't afford another one long term and couldn't get her back to health to re sell and upset her again so sat on my hands.
 
jhoward said:
They shouldn't of been allowed in the rings next time a swift call to the rspca may be worth while
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This is what I don't understand. Brightwells found themselves in hot water recently for selling welsh ponies, I think at Stoneleigh, that were in a state.
 
I should think that for that price they are more likely to have gone for meat. I hope they've found good homes if not.

ETA: animals in a very poor state should absolutely be reported though.
 
They could be the lucky ones as Potters is on today and it's only a short journey. They'll probably endure no more suffering
 
This isn't a new thing, TB colts were going through Beeston for £20 twenty years ago.
Breeding needs to be regulated. In fact owning probably needs to be regulated.
 
Potters must have a wait otherwise it seems mad for the owners to sell them for that when so close. Also OP said if was a 4th horse not the 20/50 pound ones that was in poor nick so presumably no reason for them not to go through the ring??
 
Nudibranch said:
This isn't a new thing, TB colts were going through Beeston for £20 twenty years ago.
Breeding needs to be regulated. In fact owning probably needs to be regulated.
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You can't regulate your way out of this all it does is put onerous intrusive regulation on the good while the bad will do exactly what they choose.
Not a good use of the tax payers money.
 
OP - who was selling the horses, and did you report them? What were they listed in the catalogue under? Their racing names, or property of ...?
 
It's just so sad .
TB's leaving racing need homes either retired at their owners ( for the lucky few) .
Or PTS.
Or sold to do other jobs I have a spat out TB he came from training to someone who is a friend of the trainer to me let say he picked up a soundness issue I sold him on ( I would not ) he then ends up in a few unsuitable homes until he's in big trouble.
Was the trainer responsible I don't think so he placed the horse in a good situation the alternative is to PTS and that would be such a waste of many if them who make fantasic horses in the right situation.
The issue is often TBs are cheap to buy but expensive to keep people who buy them just can't afford the basic weekly running cost of their cheap to buy horse.
The truth is many horse are only one turn from disaster it's just so sad they are completely at our mercy .
 
you are absolutely right goldenstar and its why, should i ever have to part with CS, he will be PTS and not sold on-he's too tricky and would so easily become one of these poor poor horses.

i always tell him he doesnt know how lucky he is.
 
Prince33Sp4rkle said:
you are absolutely right goldenstar and its why, should i ever have to part with CS, he will be PTS and not sold on-he's too tricky and would so easily become one of these poor poor horses.

i always tell him he doesnt know how lucky he is.
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I tell mine that all the time he just has no idea what could be the fate of the spat out TB ,that in a way is what's so sad.
I could not go to sale I would end up overwhelmed with the poor little mites and I will never pass J on ,hes here till he goes I will lead him out to die I knew that when I handed over the chq.
 
This is heartbreaking, I don't think I could go to a sales and see these poor creatures. I own an ex racer, he is 7 and I'm his fourth owner. He is an absolute angel and my world and the thought of him ending up in the wrong hands or at a sales just doesnt bear thinking about.

I hope these horses found a good home or had a quick and painless end. No animal deserves to suffer.
 
Prince33Sp4rkle said:
you are absolutely right goldenstar and its why, should i ever have to part with CS, he will be PTS and not sold on-he's too tricky and would so easily become one of these poor poor horses.

i always tell him he doesnt know how lucky he is.
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Absolutely this. Cheap to buy does not mean cheap to keep, as anyone with a TB will know. Even though my girl had an amazing attitude and in three years had not a single significant health issue, the cost of feeding and upkeep etcetera was enough alone. I dread to think what it would have been had she had any other particular needs.

In addition, cheap horses can be pretty attractive, right? Cheap horse, easy to buy. Someone who doesn't know horses well or doesn't have the necessary experience to take on a TB (especially those recently out of racing or passed on through successive homes) could be tempted to buy one with no idea of the kind of management that they will need. Now, in some cases help is found and they will struggle through and work things out; in others there's a domino-effect of ever increasing issues as the human and horse simply have no idea what to do with one another (or themselves, for that matter). PTS would be preferable to years of uncertainty and mismanagement/neglect, especially when the market is as saturated with horses as it is. Harsh, but true. Better a quick end than to end up in the wrong hands.
 
I went to york sales a couple of months back and I couldnt believe th eprices these horse were going for, you could get a section a about 14 years old proper school master for 70 guines (cant spell) the hunters like big 16hh were going for about 500 -700 but then the connemaras were goin for like 2000!! The most bizared experiance of my life! You could get a nice decent horse for next to nothing!!
 
Carrots&Mints said:
I went to york sales a couple of months back and I couldnt believe th eprices these horse were going for, you could get a section a about 14 years old proper school master for 70 guines (cant spell) the hunters like big 16hh were going for about 500 -700 but then the connemaras were goin for like 2000!! The most bizared experiance of my life! You could get a nice decent horse for next to nothing!!
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Unfortunately that's the way horse sales work - cobs and older ponies sell for good money, everything else goes for nothing. And at every sales I go to there are always a few that I can't for the life of me work out why an owner would put something like that through the sales. I've seen Frisians, Morgans, reasonably bred Warmbloods, Haffies, Highlands, Arabs, Percherons... and they all go through for nothing beacause people are either scared of them or don't know what they're looking at. Many of them, thank god, have a reserve, but I dread to think where the ones that don't end up.
 
DabDab said:
Unfortunately that's the way horse sales work - cobs and older ponies sell for good money, everything else goes for nothing. And at every sales I go to there are always a few that I can't for the life of me work out why an owner would put something like that through the sales. I've seen Frisians, Morgans, reasonably bred Warmbloods, Haffies, Highlands, Arabs, Percherons... and they all go through for nothing beacause people are either scared of them or don't know what they're looking at. Many of them, thank god, have a reserve, but I dread to think where the ones that don't end up.
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Yeah allot of them had a reserve at York, some beautiful horses were there, but then aain you got the scruffs turning up irresponsibly breeding coolour cobs, in awful condition skin and bones with foal at foot and in foal again, going for 300, im sure the person buying them was feeling sorry for them! and same breeder!!

I managed to find the details of my cob that was bought as brightwells and he only made £300, which is shocking because they are worth so much more!! in my eyes anyhow!
 
shampain said:
Absolutely this. Cheap to buy does not mean cheap to keep, as anyone with a TB will know. Even though my girl had an amazing attitude and in three years had not a single significant health issue, the cost of feeding and upkeep etcetera was enough alone. I dread to think what it would have been had she had any other particular needs.

In addition, cheap horses can be pretty attractive, right? Cheap horse, easy to buy. Someone who doesn't know horses well or doesn't have the necessary experience to take on a TB (especially those recently out of racing or passed on through successive homes) could be tempted to buy one with no idea of the kind of management that they will need. Now, in some cases help is found and they will struggle through and work things out; in others there's a domino-effect of ever increasing issues as the human and horse simply have no idea what to do with one another (or themselves, for that matter). PTS would be preferable to years of uncertainty and mismanagement/neglect, especially when the market is as saturated with horses as it is. Harsh, but true. Better a quick end than to end up in the wrong hands.
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you make a good point- i think ex racers end up with a far worst *rep* than they deserve because they ARE cheap, so the inexperienced/tight for cash/young first time owner, buys them ,ends up over horsed and labells horse a loony when in reality had me, or you, or GS etc etc bought it, it would have been absolutely fine.
its so so sad and i too could never go to a sale because id end up filing the lorry :(

you only have to look at NMT's boy-top breeding (by Galileo), picked out as a yearling as one to watch, in training with a top guy, raced in 3 different countries, but when he turned out to be not quite as good as expected he became virtually worthless and a shadow of his former self very quickly.

or mine, again top breeding but difficult in the mind. sold very cheaply at the sales but landed on his feet as his first owner was used to hot heads and produced/conditioned him beautifully in hand...... then she lost her stabling so did nothing with him and sold him on quickly never really knowing the true extent of his quirks (not her fault, how could she have known)
fortunately he ended up with us and we dont mind the rearing, but christ if he had ended up with a novice....................he could SO easily be one of those RSPC leaflets, starving cold and ignored in a field because he was deemed unrideable.
 
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