Terrier work question...

[severnmiles]

Ok, little question for those in the know...

Its perfectly legal to enter a terrier to a fox earth and dig to the fox...Yes?

Is it then only legal if you bolt the fox to awaiting guns?

Is it legal to kill the fox in the earth?

 

[Clodagh]

I could be wrong but I think you are supposed to make sure the fox is moving before you shoot it. As in, bolted to the guns.
It is, of course, much kinder to shoot it up the ar*e than a clean head shot in the earth, as the people that drew up the ban thought out really well.
Will need Carreg to confirm that, OH is out walking terriers so can't check with him!

 

[severnmiles]

Thats what I thought but ex OH is saying I'm wrong and that its perfectly legal to kill it in the earth.

Clodagh's OH and Carreg where are you?

 

[severnmiles]

C'mon Skid you should know the law, I'm not too bothered I'd just like to clear it up (whether I'm right or wrong) as to what is techniquely correct.

Talking of killing foxes cleanly, an aquaintence wanted a rifle for shooting foxes, head of firearms told him that he didn't need one, she said if you shoot the fox with a shot gun and then kill it off with a pistol if need be....hmmm very humane, certainly not a way I'd like to go!

 

[Clodagh]

Just consulted OH who says it is a bit ambiguous. So, no help!! We're all right!

 

[CARREG]

You have a p.m..............Carreg

 

[Beaufort]

I don't think your average terrierman cares whether what he does is illegal or not.

 

[Hercules]

''I don't think your average terrierman cares whether what he does is illegal or not.''

Nor do the police care what the terriermen do, so what is your point?

 

[Beaufort]

Some terriermen don't care that the dog fights that some of them organise are illegal: they normally get away with them. Does that mean we should have bothered banning them?

 

[Hercules]

More sweeping generalisations from a little person.

Dog fighting is cruel, worth banning and the law enforceable.

The Hunting Act, however .....

 

[Beaufort]

So it IS worth banning something even if it's almost impossible to enforce? Thank you.

 

[Hercules]

No. The ban on dog fighting is enforceable. That is because it is clear and unequivocal.

The hunting act however....

 

[Beaufort]

The Wright case showed that the Hunting Act IS enforceable because it was enforced but most hunts get away with flouting it. Same goes for terriermen who organise dog fights. But you agree that a law shouldn't be thrown away simply because it's rarely enforced. I thank you again.

 

[Hercules]

Whether or not people get away with crimes is irrelevant when considering throwing away a law.

What is the point in having a law that is not enforced? None.

The fact that the police and CPS are not interested in the activities of Hunts should give you a clue as to whether or not the Hunting Act is worth keeping.

Keep collecting your pennies. LACS will need them if they are to see any more huntsmen in court.

 

[soggy]

So come on Severn what is the answer to you question.

 

[wurzel]

"The Wright case showed that the Hunting Act IS enforceable because it was enforced "

And what are the Exmoor Foxhounds doing at the moment?

 

[Beaufort]

Hercules himself agrees with me that just because a law is rarely enforced doesn't mean it should be scrapped. Thank you.

 

[wurzel]

Good old Hercules !!

As long as it is not enforced I don't give a toss !!!!

 

[Beaufort]

You obviously do give a toss, otherwise you wouldn't contribute to an online debate like this. Thank you again!!!

 

[Ereiam_jh]

Do you think I should get prosecuted if I chase deer with my dogs?

 

[Beaufort]

Well I suppose it's beats dropping a nuclear bomb in a rather misguided attempt to produce an environmental paradise.

 

[severnmiles]

The Wright case showed that the Hunting Act IS enforceable because it was enforced but most hunts get away with flouting it. Same goes for terriermen who organise dog fights. But you agree that a law shouldn't be thrown away simply because it's rarely enforced. I thank you again.

Wright was done for NOT killing the fox soon enough.....yea it sure is an enforceable law, the many other charges were dismissed!

 

[Beaufort]

Very interesting, but it makes no difference to what I said. Try again.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

Can you answer the question rather than making ridiculous claims about the environmental impact of nuclear weapons.

Do you think I should be prosecuted for chasing deer with dogs?

 

[severnmiles]

So come on Severn what is the answer to you question.

If I knew that I wouldn't have asked the question...I think I should scan the Hunting Act 04!

C'mon Sogs....you tell me, surely you must know, save me a few hours reading seeing as its cubbing tomorrow morning...though I'm still hobbling on crutches :-(

 

[Beaufort]

You said:

"From what I understand, from the point of view of nature conservation, the nuclear accident at Chernobyl was the best thing that ever happened. The place is now a wildlife paradise.

It's rubbish that nuclear is bad for the environment.

It may be bad for people, but environmentally, it's a god send."

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In view of that I can't take anything you say seriously.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

So what chernobyl wasn't a nuclear weapon.

It was a controversial comment aimed at provoking a debate.

It was made by a leading and much respected scientist called James Lovelock who many consider to be the father of the environmental movement.

Why do you keep changing the subject?

Do you think I should be prosecuted for chasing deer with dogs?

 

[Beaufort]

Please don't change the subject. This thead is about terrierwork. If you wish to start another thread on the "god send" benefits to the environment of nuclear meltdowns like Chernobyl, feel free.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

I'll do what I like.

You keep bringing up Chernobyl, not me.

No do you think I should be prosecuted for chasing wild mammals with dogs.

Answer on another thread if you like.

You could give a simple answer to a simple question rather than wittering on about nuclear accidents.

 

[Beaufort]

I think the RSPCA should be called to run a geiger counter over your poor dogs.