onemoretime
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The buyer has to pay to run the blood then if it comes back positive that is the time to take it up with the seller.
Testing bloods taken at a vetting
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The buyer has to pay to run the blood then if it comes back positive that is the time to take it up with the seller.
onemoretime
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Well done.
SO1
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Well done. I think I would want to know the situation even if not sending the horse back.
The dealer might be completely innocent and it might just be bad luck.
The dealer might be completely innocent and it might just be bad luck.
SO1
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I am sorry to hear you are having issues with your new horse I remember your posts on how difficult it was to find a new horse and you were so careful and had a decent budget as well. That is really bad luck I hope he comes right for you.
Indefatigable
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Quick update for those interested. Bloods were clear. (Although vetting was postponed a week by seller). Anyway, one to rule out now I and horse improving by the week.
onemoretime
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Glad to hear that your horse is improving. Was he unlevel when he first came to you?
Indefatigable
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No not unlevel but his whole way of going had changed in a matter of 48 hours. Stiff as a board! I still don't fully understand the reason for the change.
Sossigpoker
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How long was the transport ? Maybe he tensed and went into spasm in the lorry ?
Could he have PSSM?
SEL
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Did the vets blood test when he was stiff? Sounds like some sort of tying up. Might have been a management issue at the dealers which you've got on top of
ycbm
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Stress can set off PSSM, so the travel and/or the change of home might have done it if the horse has it.
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Indefatigable
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That's interesting. Not a single expert has mentioned PSSM. I'll look into it.
Melody Grey
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They won’t! I’ve had a hell of a job convincing vets to even consider it. I think ‘oldschoolers’ think it’s an absolute situation with the tying up, though evidence on here/ other things I’ve read suggests it can exist on a continuum.
SEL
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They never do and mine is actually diagnosed with type 1, has a series of blood tests proving she has muscle issues and has come off the lorry shaking so badly she could barely stand (& she was like a board the next day too) - even with all of that they will STILL argue with me that it isn't a problem.
I'm Dun
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Sadly most vets know nothing about PSSM. My vets were always very interested to talk to me about mine and how she was managed etc s as it was something they just didnt know about.
Its not helped by the research not being finished yet, particularly for type 2 which is a huge can of worms with unreliable testing etc. PSSM type 1 is easy to test for and gives reliable results though.
Indefatigable
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Another negative test. For PSSM1 this time. I see the PSSM2 CAG test is not totally accurate. How would you feed a horse with suspected PSSM2? This in itself might confirm suspicions. Thanks in advance for info.
catembi
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I have had 4 horses tested for PSSM type 2. A Dartmoor, a QH x TB, an ISH and a TB. They tested n/p4 (Dartmoor), n/P1, n/p3, px/px (QH), n/p4, px/px (ISH) and px/px (TB). There is a lot of stuff flying around about the type 2 test not being accurate, but for me, the horses themselves are very, very true to their variants. The n/p4 horses share traits, as do the px/px horses. The tests bore out what I myself had observed over a number of months.
I had another (unconfirmed) type 2 ISH in the days before the test & I spent 18 months doing every test under the sun to find out what was wrong with him. I tried the high oil diet & there was a very dramatic improvement within 48 hours which confirmed for me that my thinking was correct - although the improvement was not sustained.
There is sooooooo much info re supplements & feeding - try joining a PSSM UK facebook group? A lot of it is confusing & contradictory, so don't be disheartened...as soon as someone has said to try x, someone else will pop and say no, don't do that, try y. There is the high oil diet, which is supposed to be bad for their system in the longer term. Some people use ALCAR, which you mustn't use at the same time as the high oil diet as they conflict. A newly emerging thing is chelated calcium. Even something simple like vit E - some people feed 2,000 iu, some 5,000, some 10,000...
You just have to do a lot of reading & go with what you think best...while at the same time keeping an eye out for new things.
I had another (unconfirmed) type 2 ISH in the days before the test & I spent 18 months doing every test under the sun to find out what was wrong with him. I tried the high oil diet & there was a very dramatic improvement within 48 hours which confirmed for me that my thinking was correct - although the improvement was not sustained.
There is sooooooo much info re supplements & feeding - try joining a PSSM UK facebook group? A lot of it is confusing & contradictory, so don't be disheartened...as soon as someone has said to try x, someone else will pop and say no, don't do that, try y. There is the high oil diet, which is supposed to be bad for their system in the longer term. Some people use ALCAR, which you mustn't use at the same time as the high oil diet as they conflict. A newly emerging thing is chelated calcium. Even something simple like vit E - some people feed 2,000 iu, some 5,000, some 10,000...
You just have to do a lot of reading & go with what you think best...while at the same time keeping an eye out for new things.