The best homozygeous coloured stallion to use

Without doubt, and although I know I am biased, Sempers Spirit. My foal by him is simply superb!!! I could not ask for more and no one would EVER guess that she is out of a Welsh D mare!!! Saffy's movement is just second to none....she ffloats in trot and is only less than a week old and her canter is uphil and covers the grounds. No brainer for me. Plus he has all the breeding, what with being by Semper and thus a direct link to the great Sandro, rather than going generations back!

Just look at this album of pics of my foal by him at 5 days old and see the quality and movement!
http://s1044.photobucket.com/albums/b441/equinoxsporthorses/saffy edited/

This is in that album but just an example of a 5 day old foals trot by him:
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and for canter/galloping/ground cover!
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So a no brainer for me and I would use him again in a shot!!!
 
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I also love Sempers Spirit, but to make a truely informed choice can we know a bit more about the mare (incl a piccy if possible) and also whether you'd consider any european stallions too?
 
It has to be Goshka Ringo for me :D I have 2 out of Reg'd NF mares, to make 14.2 competition ponies. Here is one of mine at 2 years old-

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Spiderman on here has a graded stallion by him, he is sooooo stunning!

Ringo's temperament is to die for too. When I went to see him his owner's sons who were about 10 at the time had just been out for a hack on him :)
 
I don't think it's a question about which is the best but more which is the best for your mare.
Without exception imo Ringo gives lift to the paces and I've not heard of a sharp one yet.
I too like the look of the SS foals although most I've seen have been out of mares of exceptional quality.
Chess M maybe one to consider but I'm not sure how available he is.:confused:

I've not been taken with the other homozygous stallions available in this country, I'm afraid.:(

Thanks MillionDollar for the compliment re my boy. He is throwing stunning foals but of course, is not homozygous.:)
 
Amour G is certainly a credit to his sire and the best Ringo son I know! I find though....personally....that he throws his best foals to blooded mares.....whether that is high TB blood of fine sports pony NF types.

My mare who I used on SS is a Welsh D so you could def says he ads quality.
 
Definitely depends on the mare! My 2yo by Ringo is LOVELY! She is beautifully marked and moves like a dream (when she's not going through a bum high growth spurt, like she is at present). She naturally sits and moves from the shoulder when she's level and she has a lovely temperament. As Ringo is now in France and IF I wanted to breed another coloured, I would seriously consider SS (would have to see him in the flesh first though), esp having seen the gorgeous Saffy! There IS another homozygous colt in the UK, he is only coming 4 this time and has only been used on the studs own mares and is heading for a competition career first and foremost. I believe he's free of Samber too!
 
We have a Homozygous Tobiano that is only three this year, first offspring is due in one month, he is samber free in fact hes British bred and warmblood free by way of a change, he is a sports type 15.2hh at present but should reach 15.3hh. very blood type and very calm, just like his sire.
he is half brother to our coloured racehorse and his grandsire won the Hoys Puissance in 2003.please pm me if your interested
 
Hi guys thanks for all replies, mare is 16hh old fashion type TB produces foals that seem to have a bit of bone, also she throws quite large foals. Her offspring to date is an adv med winning dressage, 2 time winning eventer, winning dressage horse and a county show winner. And that is from 4 individual foals. She has not yet produced a chestnut foal.
She is main stud book graded scoring 8's and 9's, free mover and very straight.
Her last mating will be to Sandro Hit (all being well).
Stallion that would compliment her:
Short coupled
Refined
Uphill paces
Great hind leg
She lacks in elevation if I was to be very critical of her, confo is very good so want to maintain/improve these qualities.
And she has only had one filly out of 6 foals :)
 
Personally, based on your description of your mare I woudl go Sempers Spirit as he will add (or should) all you require and his hock action as you have seen in my foal is superb!!! Plus apparantly he usually throws fillies!!!! Colts from him are rarer!

Plus he is fully graded CHAPS Sportshorses and so you are entitled to full CC which I don't think the other homozygous stallions are as yet.
 
We must certainley will not and never will grade with Chaps, with any stallion I own. my boys will be registered with Weatherbys for covering cert and if Foxfolly farm stud wish to grade I would suggest anything but them.
 
Eventrider I was not a happy bunny yesterday and I should not of gone so far with my opinions on a public forum and we had been battling on with our new baby who had been to the loo 3 time we thought he was fine 24 hours later he suddenly was not going to the loo, and we could nearly have lost him after 9 hours and 4 batches of liquid Parafin up his bum by tube and 1 enemma (sorry can not spell this)! he eventually lost a poo which was like a stone so hard it could not be squashed.
I am told by admin I am not allowed to post my stallion foals pictures on here so sorry folkes he is on facebook though do take a look hes very special
 
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each to their own I guess and I have no prob with NTR except you cannot do AI with it.....
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Yes you can, you just have to inform Weatherbys if the foal is to be registered NTR. Most NTR stallions cover mares from a huge variety of stud books. Ringo is/was NTR and M was conceived by AI at the stud, before they moved to France. He can only be AI now he is in France!
 
Oh thank you for that SN!!!!!! That is great to know!!!! Thought was only allowed natural as that is what it says in their rulebooks!
 
It does say that in the rule books and if a TB is conceived via AI, then it will not be permitted in the General Stud Book. When you register stock, it does ask on the CC if the horse was conceived via AI - though who would admit to that, it it were the case, God only knows! It's a bit like the immigration forms you used to have fill in when flying to the USA - Have you murdered anyone? Have you actively been involved in terrorism? Like ANYONE would say yes!! M has full SHB(GB) papers, as B is graded with them, which does help!
 
Stallion owners are not allowed to start threads in the breeding board about their stallions' progeny.
This is so we can not do marketing of our stallions any of us, who own stallions and use them.
seems a bit odd when you can use someones elses stallion and post that. I wonder what would happen if visitors to our stud were to post photos of our stock which I have of course no control over we have had many visitors over the last three months only this weekend two teenagers had there cameras on the stallion and foal.
 
Chess is one of only two full Warmblood approved and stallion performance tested homozygous tobiano stallions in the world. His brother Sempatico in USA is the other one.

His foals can get Oldenburg, Westfalen, Rheinlaender and lots of other Associations papers.
 
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It really sucks as stallion owners should be allowed to show off their babies. YES in a way it is advertising but at the end of the day, regardless of whether by your stalllion or not, a lot of hard work goes into it and you should be allowed to shout your achivements from trhe rooftops!!!!!! I know people have accused me in the past of working or being in promotion for Brendons and I know people will now think the same of myself and Sempers Spirit however I am firmly of the view that if you have been given excellent service by someone and end up esepcially with a beautiful bouncing baby at the end of it.....why shouldn't you be alllowed to let everyone know!!! I am sooooo proud of my El Thuder colt.....why should I have to veto my pride because people think it is advertising. Same with my Spirit filly. This mare is a Welsh D but of unknown breeding so could have bred a donkey and whilst yes she had had nice foals to other stallions before, her cross with SS may not have worked well. Luckily for me it did and I have the most stunning (although very independant) filly to prove it and I will let people know of the excellent experiences I have had with them.

Same with you Angrove....if I had used one of your boys and had my beautiful babies I would no less praise them! I just hate it when people and admin see anyone saying good things about stallions or their progeny and instantly jumping on you......
 
To get back to the OP's question...

I'm also a fan of Ringo and even more so of Sempers Spirit, but personally, with the homozygosity brief, AND for this particular mare I would put my money on Chess.

That's not to say there aren't other homozygous tobiano stallions out there that are very nice indeed and would suit certain mares better, but IMHO given the description I think Chess a better match.

...And to throw a final spanner in the works, I feel my personal absolute favourite tobiano stallions are only heterozygous anyway... Runing away now!
 
Clepottage - why should you feel you need to run away for giving your opinoin!!!???? It is just as valid as everyone else's no matter what anyone says!!! Chess is actually a stallion I like but because he is not hugely marketed in the UK, then he kind of almost gets 'forgotten' and I so do NOT mean that in a rude way....just that because you do not hear of him often you put him to the back of your brain when looking at stallions.

To the OP...whichever stallion you choose, whether Ringo, Spirit, Chess or another....good luck! I hope you get exactly what you want as I know I did this year (mind you i would have loved her with a SLIGHTLY less independant streak as is happy to leave mum already!!!).
 
Clepottage no need to run I value every ones opinion and am very glad someone actually got back to the original post :)
personally I don't like Chess and not really a fan of Ringo (I must stress before I get jumped on they do nothing for me personally and I'm sure they produce gorgeous foals for other breeders)
I really am take by SS and love the pic of the wee foal that has been posted!
I'm sure I will find one I like lol.
Thanks again everyone.
 
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