The BIG update on horse on loan! -very long!

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Following on from my recent threads, current loan horse (an ex-racer tb), is going back to owner, I have said I have no quarms in holding onto him until she's found a suitable livery as the livery she is currently with has a 3 month waiting list!
However...she has decided she wants to put him straight back out on full loan. I can understand this, 7 week old baby and all, however the reason I decided it was better to send him back was because her indecisiveness (probably not even a word!) put me off. One minute she was okay with him being a horse as it were and doing everything, next minute she wanted him wrapped up. She said a Mum has contacted her about the full loan and said she wants himf or pony club.
Now, he will NEVER fit into pony club, he leads from other horses terribly and if they want to go, so will he. He always has to be up front, he kicks like a good'un, and he is a very typical tb in the way that he is very spooky and strong with a mind of his own. On top of this she has offered to pay for EVERYTHING for whoever takes him on full loan. I just feel he could end up somewhere silly?
I can't keep him really as I said but I did offer to just because I wanted to keep him safe, she said that she'd prefer to have him on full loan up her end so now any chance of me ''keeping him safe'' are gone. Shes a wonderful person and has always cared greatly for her horses but I don't think she realises what a handful he is. She had someone riding him for her for the best part of a year and she rarely rode. When she did it was in the school, where he behaves like a dream. And saying that even the sharer didn't often take him out.

I have taught him to load, before he wouldn't load even after sedation, he could rear and go over himself. He now loads within 15 minutes but only into the trailer I use (a friends), and with lunge lines. I know for a fact no mum and teen would manage to load him by themselves and would need someone extra with them all the time.

Okay now thats said....the new bit!

I went to view a new full loan pony yesterday, a coloured 15.2 broken 4 year old gelding, warmblood x.
He was everything I wanted and yes albeit a bit bolshy, seemed perfect.

I cannot pick any fault with HIM, but can with everything else!

Here is the bad parts.

Owner had him tied to a gate incorrectly for at least an hour, as she stated she was waiting for 20 minutes. She was sat on his back bareback when I arrived whilst he was tied onto the gate, which is a tiny little space where if hed spooked, she was going to be in serious danger. I say tied but actually she had just threaded a rope through the twine and left it dangling on the floor?!
And as I expected, shortly after I arrived he spooked (she was not on him at time). And where the rope wasn't tied correctly, he managed to get it stuck round his head, luckily he calmed down fairly quick and I grabbed it to retie it but she took it off me and once again threaded it through, without tieing it?!!
It was horrendously windy, rainy, with lots going on and he was so so well behaved just stood there not even flinching, I felt so sorry for him!
The next worst part is his feet. Shes had him a year and shes still not managed to get the farrier to see to his feet. I don't understand why these people want horses. This explains the sloping in his pasterns as just like my mare his feet have grown so long they force pressure onto the pasterns.
She also said she never bothered to insure him for vet fees, but insured him for public liability? I said Ill get him insured for vets fees anyway.
Hes also had no jabs and when I said to her what day would you like to come and view where hes staying, she replied with ''I wouldn't worry about that, just from talking to you I can see he'll be going somewhere nice''.....


Now I can see exactly how these poor poor horses end up in the places they do. I guess I am just so happy to have helped ''save'' another. I just pray in a years time she'll allow me to buy him.

Thank you to anyone whos read this far!
 
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It sounds like you have done all you can for your present loan horse, so well done and move on.

As for your new loan, it seems you'll have a lot of work to do and when you have, she may want him back? If it were me, I'd be buying.

Good Luck.
 
sounds like home the ex racer has lined up for him is a disaster waiting to happen:rolleyes: but you're still right to be sending him back to the owner:)

And the new loan horse sounds like a fab little project, I'll bet he doesn't tie up that's why she only had the rope looped through the string;) but as he stands quiet i'm sure with patience he'll get the hang of it, same with his feet, my 4 yr old still has 'moments' with the farrier and he's been having his feet done since he was 5 months old!
 
sounds like home the ex racer has lined up for him is a disaster waiting to happen:rolleyes: but you're still right to be sending him back to the owner:)

And the new loan horse sounds like a fab little project, I'll bet he doesn't tie up that's why she only had the rope looped through the string;) but as he stands quiet i'm sure with patience he'll get the hang of it, same with his feet, my 4 yr old still has 'moments' with the farrier and he's been having his feet done since he was 5 months old!

But I asked her about what he is like with farrier and after a bit of rambling (excuses as to why she hadn't got his feet done) she told me he was fine with farrier! And that he was shod before she got him!

As for tie up, I really don't think he'd be an issue to tie up, my mare is the spookiest most neglected horse I have ever come across and even she ties up, despite hating pressure being applied.

But thank you to both of you with regards to current loan, I do think its right but deep down im wondering whether its a good thing.
 
Why are you getting a new loan pony and cant keep the other one got a bit lost with the story.

Secondly the owners of the loans seem slightly odd to me and this is where the trouble can start. Whats the new one like to ride?
 
Why are you getting a new loan pony and cant keep the other one got a bit lost with the story.

Secondly the owners of the loans seem slightly odd to me and this is where the trouble can start. Whats the new one like to ride?

I have posted a few other threads hence why you have probably got lost. Its a very long story (about 4 different threads worth)

Current loan horse was found to have had a comminuted break (break or crush of 2 bones) when he was younger during a polo game. Owner only found out after digging through histroy and said she didnt want him jumping or doing anything but light hacking. Accident was when he was 7, he is now rising 15 (I thought he was 13 but turns out hes 14!) And then owner changed mind and said no just do everything as normal, then she changed mind again and said that hed be okay doing light hacking but nothing else, so I ended the loan as in hindsight I can see her messing me about non-stop and don't want the hassle. I am already to attatched to leave it another 6 months or so and she wants him back!

As for new pony, I did not ride him because she said he is broken but she hasn't done anything other than walk him, his current saddle also doesn't fit so I will have to get him a new one. - She did also stress she wanted me to do alot of groundwork to gain his respect first. However, she was sat on him when I arrived and he was extremely good considering the horrendous weather we suffered.

The riding isn't my worry anyway, I purposely wanted a project horse if I were to send my current loan back, I have never wanted a ready made as it were. She has said riding he is fine, but when lunging he will try and take off. I have dealt with this before and I know I can crack it.

He does however suffer from a few seperation anxieties when away from her little welsh x. Which does worry me a little as its quite a walk from field to tie up on my yard, but he will get there!!
 
It sounds like you have done all you can for your present loan horse, so well done and move on.

As for your new loan, it seems you'll have a lot of work to do and when you have, she may want him back? If it were me, I'd be buying.

Good Luck.

Only just properly re-read over my replies!!

I don't mind putting all the work into him even if she takes him back, I have nothing better to do with my time than spend it getting kicked, bitten, pushed around, and thrown into the ground :D
I would much rather put the work into him and send him back as a well mannered riding pony, and he have a good life for the rest of his life, than put my needs before his and say well sod ya I am not putting the work in for you, and he end up as a meat man or in a neglected home!

I have stressed to her that I'd be much happier if she'd keep the buy option open and she has said she will. :)
 
I would suggest agreeing a buy price upfront for the second horse (e.g. giving you the right to buy at any point within the next yr/2 yrs for £x) and getting a proper contract in place for it. Otherwise you are going to find that you take on a young horse, put in all the work and then she takes it back to sell for what its worth when its broken, probably asking you for at least 2x current value if you get attached and want to keep it, which is a bit unfair if you are the one who has put in all the work.
 
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